Fix for SU Defensive Tactics.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:28 PMTiger Baron

... I can't explain to myself why the lack of basic field defense such as the sandbags for the Wehrmacht, a supposedly defensive Army as Relic have already stated with their info-graph or whatever.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:39 PMAustralian Magic

You really need to update your game.......
Few facts: T0 HMG42 is way way better agasint vehicles than 2CPs DSHK.
120mm is no better than stock 81mm. In fact there is no point of picking 120mm ever.




Sorry but I must ask. What's your multiplayer experience? Because with 1 random game as SU Im not surprised you are saygn that 120 is best mortar and DSHK wrecks vehicles...

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:46 PMtightrope

I voted yes. This commander being made useful doesn't mean the Ostheer one also shouldn't see some attention people, take it easy.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:45 PMDonnieChan

B4 maybe or ML20?

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:49 PMTiger Baron

I mostly play team games, your assumption is your own fault, I never said I play 1v1s.

And last time I played the DshK and 120mm mortar wrecked... one suppressed long enough for the other's shells to land directly on the enemy infantry units.

Edit: Yeah I'd agree more with the 152mm howitzer or B4, but again, the B4 is a premium unit so I don't know...

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:52 PMAustralian Magic

120 wrecks... 120 is worse than 81mm. Just saying.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 20:01 PMNinjaWJ

the dhsk ap rounds are half as good as the MG42 incendiary rounds if i remember correectly

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:52 PMAustralian Magic

Then try it one more time. Put HMG42 ahead of Puma and then put DHSK ahead of Puma. See what happens.

120 wrecks... 120 is worse than 81mm. Just saying.

As for howies, check post above.

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You have total 1 of Soviets as random and none AT. Unless you play only comp stopms or custom games all the time.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:01 PMAustralian Magic

You proposed huge changes for Defensive Tactics (like a making completly new doctrine). Therefore not a smallest chance for this.
That's why I proposed something easy.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 20:35 PMPlanet Smasher

Yes, the changes are drastic, but with a commander as bad as this one, I think that's alright. It's not like any of those abilities are hard to implement or have the potential to be really OP.

But you're right, it's very unlikely that we're gonna see an overhaul like that. Although it's probably almost as unlikely to even see smaller changes like the ones you proposed. When did they ever significantly change commander abilities? The only time I can think of was when the Pz4 group in Elite Armor was swapped for the Sturmtiger.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 21:45 PMTobis

That would be better than it is now, but I still think the doctrine would be shit. KV2 is pretty lackluster. I think a buff to the m-42 at gun along with these changes is needed. Some people were throwing around the idea of giving the M-42 the gun of a t-70 to provide some anti infantry power. Love that idea, would make me actually take this doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 21:50 PMAustralian Magic

I did not put M42 changes becasue as much as we would like to see them, there are almost no chances for this.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:28 PMTiger Baron

You're suggesting defensive tactics get a premium commander unit in the form of the KV-2 which is no small feat to be honest, while if this was implemented the Wehr one would suck even more, I mean, why choose to play Wehr with all of it's shitty abilities compared to the awesome Soviet one? You get a .50 cal MG that shreds light vehicles, the best indirect fire support weapon in the game in the form of the 120mm mortar, trenches or whatever if they're combined, impassible tank traps and the KV-2 tank, compared to trenches, tank traps, hull down, Pak 43 which is probably the best thing about this doc, and Sector Arty which as you said is situational.

And yes I am very well aware that such abilities are often combined for the Western Front Armies but not for the East which is very puzzling for me, but still I can't explain to myself why the lack of basic field defense such as the sandbags for the Wehrmacht, a supposedly defensive Army as Relic have already stated with their info-graph or whatever.

My only suggestion is that if they were to really actually add the KV-2 to the Soviet defensive doctrine they should compensate the Wehrmacht with the Lefh 18 as well.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 21:50 PMAustralian Magic

Notice that KV2 with this doctrine would became really fearsome because of tank traps which would stop easy flanking and rushing to close minimum range of a siege mode. Great combination.

I did not put M42 changes becasue as much as we would like to see them, there are almost no chances for this.

Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 23:29 PMTobis

I think you are giving too much credit to tank traps. USF gets them non doctrinal, and I only ever see them used as a replacement for sandbags green cover. Tank traps aren't that big of a game changer.