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Thread: Fix for SU Defensive Tactics.22 Mar 2016, 22:30 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Mar 2016, 19:28 PMTiger Baron You're suggesting defensive tactics get a premium commander unit in the form of the KV-2 which is no small feat to be honest, while if this was implemented the Wehr one would suck even more, I mean, why choose to play Wehr with all of it's shitty abilities compared to the awesome Soviet one? You get a .50 cal MG that shreds light vehicles, the best indirect fire support weapon in the game in the form of the 120mm mortar, trenches or whatever if they're combined, impassible tank traps and the KV-2 tank, compared to trenches, tank traps, hull down, Pak 43 which is probably the best thing about this doc, and Sector Arty which as you said is situational. And yes I am very well aware that such abilities are often combined for the Western Front Armies but not for the East which is very puzzling for me, but still I can't explain to myself why the lack of basic field defense such as the sandbags for the Wehrmacht, a supposedly defensive Army as Relic have already stated with their info-graph or whatever. My only suggestion is that if they were to really actually add the KV-2 to the Soviet defensive doctrine they should compensate the Wehrmacht with the Lefh 18 as well. Just wanted to point out a few things. 1. The DSHK HMG does ok against light vehicles, not amazing. It's a soft-counter, if anything. 2. Like AussieMagic pointed out, the 120 mm mortar has seen some changes. It's still good, but not great. 3. Tank traps can be targeted and destroyed by tanks. (Quite easily, I believe. It just takes a little more micro.) In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Elite troops, Soviet industry, vet riflemen.21 Mar 2016, 20:40 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Mar 2016, 16:41 PMHans G. Schultz We all remember the demise of the 'Elite Troops', 'Soviet Industry', and the 'Rifle Company' back in December. It really crippled the doctrines in a a way, but the abilities that were removed, were replaced by meh-trash abilities. I'd like to bring back what made those doctrines amazing by redoing them, while keeping the same idea. Here are some ways I'd propose to rework the removed abilities from each doctrine: 'Troop Training': -Make it a passive ability that makes all units vet up faster, but it would come later in the game to make sure early game isn't quickly dominated. -Make it a targeted ability like the original, but it would allow units to vet up faster, while also making them more vulnerable to enemy fire. It would cost 80 mp and 15 fuel per use. -Change it to a timed ability that makes all units vet up faster for a brief time. it would cost 120 mp and 45 fuel. 'Soviet Industry': -Make it a timed ability that would increase the fuel income of fuel points and fuel caches for 60 seconds. It would have a 180 second cool down, and would stop if any fuel point was captured/ fuel cache was destroyed. It would cost 200 mp and 50 munitions. 'Veteran Riflemen': -Veteran riflemen don't immediately come with veterancy, but the requirement is lowered. I really do not expect anybody to like these ideas, but I do expect this would get a discussion started on how they could be 'revamped', WITHOUT any necromancy. Please keep the replies flame-free, and on-topic. I've got to say that I'm impressed. I don't necessarily agree with artificially awarded veterancy, but I'm still happy to see a forum-goer bring up the subject of doctrines that could have seen smoother changes, rather than leaving them in the dust to be forgotten. I wouldn't mind an ability that temporarily gives slightly higher vet bonuses to Wehr units, although I am definitely for potential counter-play by either making the vet bonus targets more vulnerable, making the ability have a somewhat significant price tag, or both. Not much to say about the Soviet Industry idea. I think it could work pretty well, though maybe it could cost a little more mp? It is good that you made sure to offer the counter-play option of destroying a cache or capturing a fuel point, though I wonder if in a team game when a teammate captures a fuel point while this ability is in use and then the enemy decaps it if it'd cancel the ability as well. Maybe you could pick a specific fuel point to give the larger fuel income and caches are affected automatically? Then if either a cache is destroyed or if the selected territory is neutralized the ability stops. Just a thought. I wish I could offer more helpful feedback on the lowered vet requirement riflemen. My only suggestion is maybe limiting the number that can be on the field at a time to maybe two. Either way, neat thread, Karbinder. Hope you get some good feedback. In: COH2 Balance

Thread: Fix for SU Defensive Tactics.22 Mar 2016, 22:30 PM

22 Mar 2016, 19:28 PMTiger Baron

You're suggesting defensive tactics get a premium commander unit in the form of the KV-2 which is no small feat to be honest, while if this was implemented the Wehr one would suck even more, I mean, why choose to play Wehr with all of it's shitty abilities compared to the awesome Soviet one? You get a .50 cal MG that shreds light vehicles, the best indirect fire support weapon in the game in the form of the 120mm mortar, trenches or whatever if they're combined, impassible tank traps and the KV-2 tank, compared to trenches, tank traps, hull down, Pak 43 which is probably the best thing about this doc, and Sector Arty which as you said is situational.

And yes I am very well aware that such abilities are often combined for the Western Front Armies but not for the East which is very puzzling for me, but still I can't explain to myself why the lack of basic field defense such as the sandbags for the Wehrmacht, a supposedly defensive Army as Relic have already stated with their info-graph or whatever.

My only suggestion is that if they were to really actually add the KV-2 to the Soviet defensive doctrine they should compensate the Wehrmacht with the Lefh 18 as well.

Just wanted to point out a few things.

1. The DSHK HMG does ok against light vehicles, not amazing. It's a soft-counter, if anything.

2. Like AussieMagic pointed out, the 120 mm mortar has seen some changes. It's still good, but not great.

3. Tank traps can be targeted and destroyed by tanks. (Quite easily, I believe. It just takes a little more micro.)

In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: Elite troops, Soviet industry, vet riflemen.21 Mar 2016, 20:40 PM

21 Mar 2016, 16:41 PMHans G. Schultz

We all remember the demise of the 'Elite Troops', 'Soviet Industry', and the 'Rifle Company' back in December. It really crippled the doctrines in a a way, but the abilities that were removed, were replaced by meh-trash abilities. I'd like to bring back what made those doctrines amazing by redoing them, while keeping the same idea. Here are some ways I'd propose to rework the removed abilities from each doctrine:

'Troop Training':
-Make it a passive ability that makes all units vet up faster, but it would come later in the game to make sure early game isn't quickly dominated.
-Make it a targeted ability like the original, but it would allow units to vet up faster, while also making them more vulnerable to enemy fire. It would cost 80 mp and 15 fuel per use.
-Change it to a timed ability that makes all units vet up faster for a brief time. it would cost 120 mp and 45 fuel.

'Soviet Industry':
-Make it a timed ability that would increase the fuel income of fuel points and fuel caches for 60 seconds. It would have a 180 second cool down, and would stop if any fuel point was captured/ fuel cache was destroyed. It would cost 200 mp and 50 munitions.

'Veteran Riflemen':
-Veteran riflemen don't immediately come with veterancy, but the requirement is lowered.

I really do not expect anybody to like these ideas, but I do expect this would get a discussion started on how they could be 'revamped', WITHOUT any necromancy. Please keep the replies flame-free, and on-topic.

I've got to say that I'm impressed. I don't necessarily agree with artificially awarded veterancy, but I'm still happy to see a forum-goer bring up the subject of doctrines that could have seen smoother changes, rather than leaving them in the dust to be forgotten.

I wouldn't mind an ability that temporarily gives slightly higher vet bonuses to Wehr units, although I am definitely for potential counter-play by either making the vet bonus targets more vulnerable, making the ability have a somewhat significant price tag, or both.

Not much to say about the Soviet Industry idea. I think it could work pretty well, though maybe it could cost a little more mp? It is good that you made sure to offer the counter-play option of destroying a cache or capturing a fuel point, though I wonder if in a team game when a teammate captures a fuel point while this ability is in use and then the enemy decaps it if it'd cancel the ability as well. Maybe you could pick a specific fuel point to give the larger fuel income and caches are affected automatically? Then if either a cache is destroyed or if the selected territory is neutralized the ability stops. Just a thought.

I wish I could offer more helpful feedback on the lowered vet requirement riflemen. My only suggestion is maybe limiting the number that can be on the field at a time to maybe two.

Either way, neat thread, Karbinder. Hope you get some good feedback.

In: COH2 Balance