Riflemen OP with Vet patch

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2016, 12:09 PMStug life

"Vastly outclassed" what the panther and ?
I'm not talking only for okw pg exist and are elite
And the myth ally early axis late needs to stop
Try to out pop cap 1 game I had 5 Jackson 3 Sherman 4 calliope and 1 major guess who got 150 pop cap
And guess who win (4vs4)
Ober and pg 4 men I HE shell Sherman = -400 (320) mp

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2016, 12:21 PMPutinist

What do you mean?

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2016, 12:32 PMKatitof

What range?
What vet?
What cover?

And yeah, the investment is very similar here, so there is no reason why it shouldn't.

In addition, from vet4 onwards, there is no infantry in game what can beat obers without green cover.

How about you, for once, eat your own advise and be consctructive? You know, put some stats into the perspective instead of covering yourself with Main Kampf every time anyone asks you for reason.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2016, 13:00 PMFiresparks

whether relic will consider the idea of removing the terminator vet in exchange for buffs to other idea, I'm still going to sounds my opinions.

If they don't like the idea, the faction stay in its current status quo. Everything else the USF uses remain weak to accommodate for the rifleman spam meta.

It took two years of complaining, but relic finally redesigned stug into a tank destroyer. I am willing to wait.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2016, 22:06 PMthedarkarmadillo

I dont think rifles can be nerfed without making officers better because they are the only infantry they get... As its been said if you make rifles worse then volks eat them if you buff pgrens and obers because of rifles even the OP conscript wont stand even an imaginary chance. Obers shouldnt be an instant "stop building infantry" or "max vet!?! Ha I laugh at your delicate squad preservation!" and pgrens are pretty good with micro... To contend with the ober timing what about..... A sidegrade in hq when one truck is up? Then it doesnt matter how you tech and they can come out a biit sooner (amd pick up some vet)

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 02:28 AMCulainn

Rather than discuss whether or not its appropriate to sign one's posts with your own name, lets discuss how ridiculous USF is right now with 5 or 6 vet 3 riflemen armed only with zooks. Thats right, zooks only, bars are not needed.

That is all you need to blob and win against either german faction. You don't even need grenades if you are against OKW, as you can attack move through N-1 Ober LMG squads with N vet 3 Riflemen with double zooks, and they will be vet 3 by the time you get any Obers out. Forget armor, you'll waste their 1 tank easily if it sticks around and the faptrack is hopeless against more than 2 riflemen.

The reality is USF is extremely strong right now, especially against OKW, as I predicted they would be prior to the vet patch dropping. The Riflemen buffs from last year need to be reverted.

Joseph

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 04:11 AMOmega_Warrior

Oh my god did you seriously lose to zook rifle spam? That's like the most un-meta USF strat and for good reason. Just pull out a KT and his entire army is useless against both your infantry and your armor.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 04:11 AMOmega_Warrior

Oh my god did you seriously lose to zook rifle spam? That's like the most un-meta USF strat and for good reason. Just pull out a KT and his entire army is useless against both your infantry and your armor.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 04:26 AMVuther

And just make more Volks in the meantime, maybe some Obers if you really want. It's not like lights would help ya.

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 12:11 PMCulainn

Volks suck, thats just a fact.

Obers are nice, but by the time you can bring them in, the critical mass of Riflemen has been reached, and they are already vet 3. My experience shows N vet 3 Riflemen squads with zooks can beat N-1 Ober squads with LMG. Even though the price difference is 280 vs 400, not including teching costs.

Joseph

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 14:50 PMNemesis10192

Lmao what game are you playing? In what world does even a vet 3 rifle beat an lmg ober when equipped with 2 zooks?

You are delusional and to admit to losing to 6 rifle 12 zook builds is just screaming to the world you are a massive noob with no idea how to play the game.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 00:01 AMCookiezNcreem

Riflemen OP?

*checks playercard*


primarily axis player?


primarily team game player?



rank 1k?




10/10 thread

Jump back to quoted post19 Mar 2016, 20:32 PMCulainn

I see you are as incapable of understanding mathematical notation as you are at effective argumentation. Your ad hominem attacks only indicate the weakness of your position, they don't prove your point.

As to the maths, N is a numeric variable, it can take on the value of any number. N-1 is one less than N, for example if N = 5, N-1 = 4. When I say N vet 3 Riflemen w/zooks beat N-1 LMG Obers, while being cheaper, available earlier and retaining anti vehicle capability, I am not comparing squads 1 on 1.

Thus endith the remedial algebra lesson.

Joseph

Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 06:49 AMFiresparks

panzergrenadier have never been a problem for the USF. It's always been about the lmg42 grenadier for the wehr.

the only "elite" infantry that have been a problem for the USF is the ober. Fallschirmjager is great for surprise attack but they are not really that amazing outside of that context.