Panzergrenadiers 2x Panzershreck dealing 240 DMG in 1 volley
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The biggest loser here is USF as they rely so much on light and medium vehicle play to remain even remotely relevant at competitive levels.
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As for the "competitive" word, so you think that why is usf used in esl?
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If opponent came back with just pgren shrecks addition, then you weren't dominating as much as you thought.
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So all that early struggle to control both fuel points meant nothing.
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They are only a 4 man squad, often gibbed.
They do not nearly 1 shot any allied medium vehicle, and dont forget they have a reload time, at long range you dont actually have to leave as soon as u are struck by the volley.
Have u considered that good "light and medium vehicle play" involves screening for your vehicles with infantry. Would reduce effectiveness of pgrens significantly, as a small squad they will drop models fast in face of a couple of rifles focusing them as they try to run after ur vehicle.
Infantry, that should be at a relative advantage to the german infantry which has spent all its munis on shreks not lmg's.
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In next episode: AT cannons op because they can kill tanks
Actually, we used to have threads like that, multiple ones.
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And also, as USF, you have quite a massive number of light vehicles to rape Ostheer with. And the fact that he has manpower and munition to go "apeshit" with Panzergrens means that he can, and will counter-attack. Also, he...
...Wait for it...
#adapt
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Actually, we used to have threads like that, multiple ones.
I know, i was there, i still remenber things like "bazookas op because they arent skillshots"
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I do have an issue withe the long range accuracy of the shreck as many others have pointed out as it makes kiting them very hard to deal with.
Then again it should be a l2p issue as you should know that they lose the two smgs and gain some heavy AT for 120muni. This means you dont counter this build with tanks rather with inf.
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i Remember many many months ago i 4v4 and 3v3 i would build three squads of pgrens with shrecks, it was fun when it worked. Didn't work very often though, mainly just a waste of popcap, manpower and munis.
I thought quite the opposite. Many many moons ago they were SO effective that they had to have their veterancy adjusted. 6 shreks and 6 stgs were the walking blob of doom then. Katyushas weren't buffed yet and any Soviet infantry at the time were wrecked.
Anyways, that's why they were nerfed pretty hard, once upon a time.
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Its official now, .org is new official forum, can't get lower then that.
If opponent came back with just pgren shrecks addition, then you weren't dominating as much as you thought.
Yeah
OP, I hope you know that munitions actually does play a significant part of the game and it's just not about fuel
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The biggest loser here is USF as they rely so much on light and medium vehicle play to remain even remotely relevant at competitive levels.
Play a few games as ostheer and see how difficult the ostheer's early game is vs the USF and their light vehicle play. Without even mentioning the riflemen who out-DPS your grens before the LMG upgrade. And a rifle squad with M1919s is still a good match vs grens.
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