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List of units that have fallen out of the meta
17 Jan 2016, 14:47 PM
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17 Jan 2016, 14:48 PM
#22
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penals were meta before battleservers. In a laggy game? No problem! Build Penals and watch your enemy fail to dodge the satchel charge.
17 Jan 2016, 15:06 PM
#23
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Anyone who confuses the 250 HT with the 251 is a scrub unworthy of clarification
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17 Jan 2016, 15:07 PM
#24
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you forgot the eleele is fine. It's just not a 1v1 unit. The heavy TDs never were and probably never will be.
17 Jan 2016, 15:24 PM
#25
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ele is fine. It's just not a 1v1 unit. The heavy TDs never were and probably never will be.
ele is far from being meta though
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17 Jan 2016, 16:01 PM
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ML-20 is still usefull vs OKW.
I tried to use ML-20, and found that for large maps Katyusha effective.
B-4 pure RNG. Tho I recently killed JT with it
I once shot at jagdtiger from B - 4, he did not even try to change the position. To the point where it got the next round, he just had time to full repair his jagdtiger. It was like a B - 4 shot 5 times, hit 2 times.
KV-1 is not out of meta. With just 8CPs it can save you a day as a call in when you can't afford T4. Add 4% armor bulletins and it's fine. In fact I use them in 2v2 in 60% of my games. Mass of 3-4 KVs can deal with anything.
I try use triple bulletins, T-34-85 is still more effective. I do not need a tank to absorb damage, I need a tank to destroy infantry hordes of and Nazi wonder panzers. The most important thing in this doctrine now is "For the Motherland".
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17 Jan 2016, 16:19 PM
#27
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All three default british commanders which are terribad
Commandos
Centaur
Churchill
17pounder
Heavy Royal engineers (actually more like everything in anvil altogether)
Commandos
Centaur
Churchill
17pounder
Heavy Royal engineers (actually more like everything in anvil altogether)
17 Jan 2016, 16:20 PM
#28
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- LeFH Artillery is still pretty good, especially vs Brits who have absolutely nothing to counter it. It completely nullifies emplacements.
- And I still use the ML-20 vs OKW, but it's so easily countered by the Panzerwerfer or Walking Stuka, especially on smaller maps.
- M-42 AT gun is still pretty decent for only 200 MP. It could use a RoF buff. I think the reason you barely ever see them is because they are only in 2 commanders, one being almost useless, and the other being a rare commander that is pretty situational.
- The Churchill was nerfed too hard, now its armor can be penetrated any medium tank and up.
17 Jan 2016, 16:36 PM
#29
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Moment of silence please for all the fallen units....as well as the un-used commanders. You are gone but not forgotten. RIP
17 Jan 2016, 16:59 PM
#30
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penals were meta before battleservers. In a laggy game? No problem! Build Penals and watch your enemy fail to dodge the satchel charge.
Deep snow? Free wipe!
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And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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17 Jan 2016, 17:15 PM
#31
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Just to be clear, if they were in parenthesis I didn't think they are bad units, just rarely used. They can still be effective.
How often do you see Assault Engineers compared to how often you see armor company? I see most people just wait for surprise m10 horde instead of taking the doctrine early for Assault Engineers. I'm considering taking them off the list.
How often do you see Assault Engineers compared to how often you see armor company? I see most people just wait for surprise m10 horde instead of taking the doctrine early for Assault Engineers. I'm considering taking them off the list.
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17 Jan 2016, 17:58 PM
#32
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M3 (edit: M5) halftrack for USF is definitely meta. Every idiot and their mother has that completely overpowered commander. Ostwinds for OKW are also popular because scav is overall still a very strong doc. Scout car is pretty often used against OKW despite maximspam being so strong. (luckily for all soviet players you can get Dhsks from lend lease 
) Brits rarely seem to get the churchill these days. It's still a decent tank, just not as good as the cromwell.
) Brits rarely seem to get the churchill these days. It's still a decent tank, just not as good as the cromwell.
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17 Jan 2016, 17:59 PM
#33
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M3 halftrack for USF is definitely meta. Every idiot and their mother has that completely overpowered commander. Ostwinds for OKW are also popular because scav is overall still a very strong doc. Scout car is pretty often used against OKW despite maximspam being so strong. (luckily for all soviet players you can get Dhsks from lend lease
You're confusing M5 HT with M3 HT. Very different units, very different commanders
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17 Jan 2016, 18:02 PM
#34
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You're confusing M5 HT with M3 HT. Very different units, very different commanders
My apologies, you are correct. I was referencing the M5 that can be upgraded with the quad, not the mechanized (?) doc halftrack + assault engie call-in.
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17 Jan 2016, 18:31 PM
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Please add pak 43 and okw panzer 4 (150 fuel) to list
Reality called, it said you don't hang out with it anymore and it misses you.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Jan 2016, 18:54 PM
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Churchill, haven't seen one in a month.
17 Jan 2016, 19:08 PM
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lol i actually forgot hetzer existed.
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17 Jan 2016, 19:10 PM
#38
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You should precise meta 1vs1 or teamgame. WC51 is meta in my hand if the map isn't too much urban. its counter fast Mg42 meta and can rollback OKW early game.
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