Gren 42 and G43 combo
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Cons only beat grens with regular rifles because they have more members. With the lmg42, they have a worse chance because they usually lose a model on closing. With G43s, cons would lose at all ranges.
I would support this idea if the G43 upgrade gets adjusted for this possibility, and if cons get a nondoc upgrade to increase their versatility (or make penals have a different, useful role).
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The issue with giving grens G43 and LMG42 together, is that it would make them shit ALL over conscripts.
Cons only beat grens with regular rifles because they have more members. With the lmg42, they have a worse chance because they usually lose a model on closing. With G43s, cons would lose at all ranges.
I would support this idea if the G43 upgrade gets adjusted for this possibility, and if cons get a nondoc upgrade to increase their versatility (or make penals have a different, useful role).
Personally I always wanted to give cons PPSH without a commander, and swap it for DP28s on Penals and maybe cons.
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this is just going to turn the meta into g43+lmg42 vs double m1919a6/bren gun.
I would rather limit the lmg on allied troops insteads. The Para and guards are fine due to price and performance. (for clarification, I don't counter the bar as lmg)
Combining lmg42 and g43 sounds good in theory. In practice, this is going to be even worse than the Tommy vet3 bug:
- Grenadiers will turn into weapon pinatas the moment they drop to 3 models or below (kiss your lmg42 goodbye)
- What's worse, sometimes grenadiers will prefer using their g43's over their lmgs
- What's EVEN worse is that you will not be able to predict that behaviour; the performance of your grenadiers is going to be completely inconsistent the moment they drop to 2 models.
It all boils down to the fact that there are no weapon preference profiles in the game.
Read more about the Tommy vet3 bug here:
http://www.coh2.org/topic/46847/vet3-tommy-squads-dropping-weapons-bug-fixes
Be careful what you wish for!
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So by your logic the PPSH upgrade on cons should only be 2 weapons? instead of 4,
I know you're playing devil advocate but you know that is a completely different thing. close range and short weapons vs and LMG and G43 good at all ranges?
Don't be a jerk...
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Besides, Ostheer is now in a very good spot, I would be leery of any buffs to them. MG42 + upgraded grens still can handle anything short of giant LMG rifleblobs, and the Pwerfer is here for that.
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I'd rather bring things up or down to Ostheer levels personally. I think it's almost the best feeling faction at the moment.
It definitely feels like the most solidly designed faction. It has no OP units (save the Pwerfer) and very few mediocre/useless ones (222 could use a slight buff, PGrens a slight cost decrease and Brumbar more accuracy, but nothing major). Its playstyle is clearly defined, but doctrines allow you to go outside the box if you want to.
And they are still very strong. In the right hands, they are easily among the strongest faction in all play modes.
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Combining the current G43 with lmg42 it's weird, because the squad must chose a different behavior in the fight, depending on what weapon they want to use in the first place. If they want to use G43, and shooting while moving, the lmg42 cannot be used. If they want to use lmg 42, they better engage at distance, where the current G43 it's not so good at....
P.S. You used "However" to much in your post...
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So by your logic the PPSH upgrade on cons should only be 2 weapons? instead of 4,
Cons get 3 ppsh, which are inferior then shocks ppsh and ppsh upgrade is even remotely usable exclusively because vet3 buff, that buff doesn't help vs LMG grens at all.
And sure, allow the combo, the very moment cons get stock weapon upgrade, LMG makes them irrelevant enough.
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If anything, nerf double 1919, Paras, obers, dobule brens etc. instead of making Grens ultra DPS.
It's like saying that Katy is weaker that pzwerfr so let's make it OP just like pzwerfer.
No, we need to nerf werfer and calliope, not buff katy.
Same issue here.
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I would rather see other double upgrades nerfed instead changing single upgrade grens...
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and due to (in my opinion) USF powercreep, vet 3 Rifles with double weapon upgrades crap on all Ost infantryYou forget the panzergrenadier , which are amazing stock AI units. And when they reach vet2 , they become monsters. panzergrenadiers are actually even better than obers in a way
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