150 fuel panzer 4 increase it's penetration.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 15:00 PMImagelessbean

The OKW tank is easily worth this 25 fuel cost, as has already been made clear. In fact, it cost this much before with fuel limitations, its just you didn't see it directly because of way fuel was managed before the 100% income.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 15:39 PMTrubbbel

Ok fine, but for whermacht as well?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 22:02 PMAchtAchter

With increasing the price the tank has to be compared to the T34/85 & Ez8, comparing to them its under performing.


OKW P4:

Cost: 360 mp / 150 Fuel
Penetration: 100 / 110 / 120
Scatter: 6.4
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 5.63
Armour: 234 / 80
Health: 640

T34/85:

Cost: 380 mp / 130 Fuel
Penetration: 120 / 140 / 160
Scatter: 5.0
AOE: 2.5
Reload: 6.28
Armour: 160 / 80
Health: 800

Easy8:

Cost: 380 mp / 140 Fuel
Penetration: 155 / 165 / 200
Scatter: 5.4
AOE: 2.0
Reload: 6.43
Armour: 215 / 95
Health: 720

We see, higher scatter means the gun will miss infantry more often. While the HP means it only sustains 4 shots vs 5 on the t34/85 & ez8. Low penetration means also that it has a hard time penetrating medium tanks (calliopes included). Compared with Armour of the Easy8 there is hardly a difference, especially when you keep in mind the that the Easy8 is considered as the best medium generalist tank in game.

Again it's just stating objective stats and comparing them. OKW P4 costs more, but has worse stats.

Edited: some wrong stats

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:54 AMMaschinengewehr

Can you like, not defend OKW at every chance for once?

It's tiresome and biased.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 21:42 PM__deleted__

Give Ostheer P4 some love. it needs it more and harder than OKW P4.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 11:03 AMMaschinengewehr

Comparing them to doctrinal units is silly. I agree with Dusty.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 19:56 PMGluhoman

E8 and t3485 are in docs, so don't compare stack units with doc units that must be better. On topic, p4 is fine

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 17:41 PMMr. Someguy

Being a "doctrinal unit" doesn't mean shit. I don't see the Ostheer Puma outperforming the OKW Puma, or the M4C outperforming the Panzer IV, or the MG 34 outperforming... anything.

Doctrine units open up new options, it doesn't mean it's automatically supposed to be better than stock units. It isn't.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2015, 21:32 PMIron Emperor

While the pz4 is now 150 fuel it is the most expensive medium tank, although it's ass gets some hard whooping by a much cheaper Ez8 and T34/85. I suggest to make it's penetration to 150/140/130.

Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 23:03 PMAchtAchter

Remember kids, most people saying the P4's is fine at 150 fuel here also said that the Churchill is fine at 150 fuel :^)

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 00:52 AMpoop

P4 has more armor and speed than the church

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 00:56 AMAchtAchter

Since when 240 armour (churchill) is better than 234 (okw p4)? Also kv1 has more armour, more hp and a better gun and still costs less than the p4. At least this thread showed who doesn't care for objective stats.

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2015, 01:05 AMFiresparks

how about not giving the OKW the best heavy tank(KT), the best anti-infantry light tank (pz2), the best light tank hunter (puma), the best tank destroyer(jpz4), the best tank hunter(panther), and the best medium tank(pz4) as well?

the okw pz4 j should have gotten a nerf instead of a price increase.