Soviet Industry Balance Preview.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:38 PMBrick Top

Theres no other tank in game can do what it does. You just must not use it on the move. Lock down important points/VP and defend it with your army, awesome!

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:24 PMNebaka

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In my opinion, "Soviet Industry" should be like "Redistribute Resources" (convert X Manpower into Y Fuel + decreased buildtime)

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2015, 18:33 PMMyself

Soviet Industry
Removing this ability that allows players to manipulate their resource with no counter play involved.

Ability replaced Allied Supply Drop

KV2:
Bringing this unit in line with other heavy vehicles

Population reduced from 24 to 19
HP increased from 800 to 1040



KV-2 needs to be looked at and CP and Fuel cost adjusted to the removal of fuel conversion.

Instead of replacing "Soviet Industry", I would suggest some changes that might help the ability become viable, and make T-34/76 used more.

The changes could include the following:

Remove Manpower to fuel conversion.
Keep faster vehicle production.

Introduce one or more of the following:

Increase pop/upkeep of infantry by 10% reduce pop of T34/76 by 10%
This change aims at allowing Industry players to create and maintain a bigger T34/76 army.

Allow T-34/76 to cap without having their weapons disabled...
This change aim to compensate the luck of capping power from the previous change.

Increase the price of the "Mechanized Armor Kampaneya" (M.A.K) by 20 fuel and decrease the fuel "Tankoviy Battalion Command" (T.B.C) by 20 is M.A.K. is built first. Allow M.A.K. to built without a T.B.C. but allowing access only to T34/76. The T.B.C. would unlock the rest of the vehicles.

This change aims at allowing early T-34/76 access making the Soviet industry commander a T-34/76 specialized commander.

Alternative another version of a doctrinal T34/76 could be available.


Another approach would be have soviet industry ability to change some of the vehicle fuel cost (10%-20%) to manpower and some of the Vehicle upkeep from manpower to fuel.

This change aim at allowing easier building vehicles but harder maintaining them.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:45 PMKatitof

Actually, ISU does incomparably better job at long range sniping(KV-2 can't hit anything plus slow projectile speed not to mention all the deploy and pack up time) and IS-2 is incomparably better in tank to tank combat(reload, penetration, armor, accuracy, turret traverse, mobility).

KV-2 also comes with a doctrine without elite infantry so... pretty much any other soviet 13+cp vehicle does a better job in a better doctrine.

But now, the doctrine will actually be usable without crippling yourself.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:58 PMBrick Top

Fair enough ISU is better in a lot of roles. But it cant dish out indirect fire over shot blockers, this is where kv2 shines. Also say kv2 does its job with less micro.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:38 PMBrick Top

The kv2 is not a bad tank

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 16:50 PMMyself

read patch notes no more resources manipulation that have no counter play...that is the whole meaning of removing industry...

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 18:30 PMBrick Top

No counter play to gaining more fuel. Most abilities have the option for opponent to react to it, like smoke on arty etc etc.


Industry isnt used much anymore because the MP debuff is crippling, you have to spam T34s, which are very easily countered by a lot of AT.

A very strong way to use Industy, which only works in team games, is to spam SU85s, fronted by a KV8 or two, and backed by 1-2 katys... but thats very difficult to get to with just baseline inf, maybe if you got a T70 and T34 first.

But Id much rather be able to play with KV2 with an infantry heavy build, because thats what gives more solid map presence allowing the KV2 a solid base.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 11:32 AMRMMLz

KV-2 needs a defined role because currently it doesn't have one. It's not a damage sponge like Tiger and Churchill, doesn't have a good all around gun (also like tiger), it's not an artillery piece nor is it a siege weapon.

Simple and boring solution, make it an artillery piece like Priest. But I would like to see it as a true siege weapon in a manner like this:

It should set up and enter siege mode in friendly territory to be able to shoot, it also locks the territory down. Then, it should fire a big explosive shell (something like AVRE/Stiger) or an AT shell. The type of the shell is decided by the player. A manual and long reload is also needed.


Fix KV-2 and we're done. Supply drop is OK if you ask me.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 14:40 PMRMMLz

That's the problem, it is not an artillery piece right now judging by the stats. As I've said, I would like it to have a defined role even if they decide to make it an artillery piece. But just for the sake of flavor and new mechanics, I would be happy to see it as a real siege weapon. One more thing, you can't really flank with KV-2. If you can your enemy is probably a n00b.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2015, 17:58 PMArclyte

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