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Yep, decrease Obers cost to 340-350MP and then up the LMG to 100muni. With the purchase cost of trucks and MP cost upping of Volks, OKW shouldn't float MP like they did before. So if some of their fuel and muni costs go up then MP costs need to go down on certain units.
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safe for the jp4 cloak. why do you consider this to be op?
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because it never has been relevant? the okw vet requirement is so absurdly high en severely nerfed it doesnt matter.
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have u ever played against vet 4 Obers suppressing units? have u ever played against vet 5 JP4? have u ever played allies in ur life?
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have u ever played against vet 4 Obers suppressing units? have u ever played against vet 5 JP4? have u ever played allies in ur life?
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(Panther coming before E8, Pz4 coming before Sherman)
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Indeed T4 of OKW should cost 120, with the sws added the cost for T3 would be 300 mp 135 fuel
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Kubel:
Vet1 maphack. Sorry, it's a 0 muni cost ability which can be toggle without cooldown. Tracking and infantry detection are also vet1 abilities which cost munitions and are timed limited.
Already explained.
JPIV:
Vet1 fix phaseshift tech
Vet5 reduce the 150% damage bonus (400dmg) while shooting out of cammo.
Damage modifiers are generally bad, specially if it leads to 1 shotting/wiping things (see old For mother russia wombo combos) Mark vehicle/target are on the order of 35% (SU) and 50% (OKW). IIRC heat shells are 50% and same for FHQ (which IMO should be removed cause it leads to easy wipes with indirect fire weapons)
From 150% to 75% (280dmg) would be fine. Note that you also get 150% accuracy and penetration.
FlakHT:
Vet1 Concealing Smoke cost 0 munitions
The unit needs other buffs, fix and tweaks. There's no reason for having FREE smoke.
Stuka:
Vet4 Napalm Barrage should be brought down to lower levels of vet but share cooldown with main barrage.
All other artillery pieces have it's cooldown shared when using their vet ability. Use to be with Precision strike, creeping barrage, counter barrage, etc. TBH i'vent tested deeply after the flame tweaks (used to be good cause it stacked damage) but a 1min cooldown should be in line with other artilleries.
Obers:
Vet4 passive suppression
As stupid as 360 defensive stance suppression was. Give it as an ability as paratroopers but don't leave it as a passive
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OKW P4 is better then the ostheer P4, why should it come out at the same time?
Won't that delay too much OKW P4? Comparing to ostheer one?
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Hmm not really, since you only need 1 Tier structure to build without a BP upgrade. As Ostheer you've to get 2x a BP upgrade and a tier structure.
OKW P4 is better then the ostheer P4, why should it come out at the same time?
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Road to unlock P4
With current 105 schwerer cost:
Wehrmacht
80/10 for Tier1 building
100/40 for BP1
200/20 for Tier2 building
100/45 for BP2
260/75 for Tier3 building
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170 fuel - 20 starting fuel = 150 with all tier buildings (ofc u can skip tier2 or tier1)
OKW current preview mod
100/15 SWS truck
200/25 (battlegroup) or 200/50 (mechanize)
100/15 SWS truck 2
200/105 schwerer
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a) cheapest way 160 fuel - 10 starting fuel = 150 fuel
b) with mechanize instead of battlegroup = 175 fuel
c) all trucks = 195 fuel
If we increase schwerer fuel by 15 fuel
a) cheapest way 175 fuel - 10 starting fuel = 165 fuel
b) with mechanize instead of battlegroup = 190 fuel
c) all trucks = 210 fuel
So if we increase the price of schwerer, going fastest route OKW p4 will still come later than Ostheer with all tiers. Then again OKW panther still will come way faster than ostheer one, and also u get all the cool featuers of OKW trucks - but i think late ostheer panther is a problem of ostheer T4 teching..
Maybe put upgrade on schwerer that will unlock panther/kt and gun on flak?
It also cost more.
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Hmm interesting. Did some wrong calculations then. Thanks for clearing it up. I would prefer to have the Panther/KT locked behind a 50 fuel button like the Comet.
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OKW has better early game than ost, and better tanks...teching should be more expensive
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I'm not saying it shouldn't. Ostheer can unlock all tier and building up to p4 for cost of cheapest route of OKW to unlock p4. I just think there is no need to increase schwerer price anymore. Just OKW Panther comes to early comparing to Ostheer one.
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What is justification for OKW Pz4 (which is superior) coming earlier than Sherman in normal game?
By normal game I mean must-have upgrades like nades and ambulance for USF.
With nades and ambulance, OKW Pz4 comes 40 fuel earlier than Sherman.
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Currently the JP4 also comes earlier than the sherman.
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