Porting CoH1 Panzer Elite as final Axis faction

It's funny calling them axis....when there's no axis in game but only germans

regarding non-german factions: noone (including me/japan might be an exception, but they dont really belong to the european theatre) would buy them. yes i know some of you on here would, but the silent majority of coh2 players wouldnt really care about those factions. hence no revenue for relic, ergo they wont do it

but keep dreaming

The brits brought in a breath of fresh air like no commander could have ever hope to do, saying people wouldn't buy another faction is asinine if not just for the sake of having more diversity or interesting mechanics, different/unique playstyles, I would actually like to see an axis faction based around the german allies with perhaps some sort of german lend-lease based around early game aggressiveness and way less relying on turtling and late game.

Pe was a cancer faction.
-Bad tech tree
-Unkillable OpACs
-Annoying kettens (best scout, cheap, mine detection, pushing)
-Expensive infantry
-Hated faction
-Spammy and zergy
-Map dependant
-We dont need copy-paste factions

So !NO!

A mobile axis faction is necessary because OKW experiment has failed miserably,its a dead faction.

When you think about it, the USF is the Panzer Elite.

So, this is where I got idea for national-based Ostheer subfaction system!
Thanks.

I hope we could flesh this all out some day
This system really would be best.

I'm working my way through:

Italics are still being worked on


Commander:

Brazil - USF
Spain - OKH

Nation:

Hungary - OKH
Romania - OKH
Finland - OKH


Can't think that Slovakia and Croatia even get to stretch to do a Commander but I have no researched much on them

France could be anything and potentially even a stand alone faction

Hey it doesn't mean that if something about WW2 isn't german (about axis forces i mean) = it sucks and i don't understand why people think a faction sucks even if they have never tried it also because at the moment doesn't exist. I don't understand how you know that the silent majority of CoH2 players wouldn't buy a possible Italian, Hungarian or Finnish faction. Have you asked everyone what they think? I would buy a possible Italian faction for many reasons and I respect your opinion but I'm sure that a new axis faction is possible and (IMHO) that faction should be Italy and after my sentence the shitstorm would arrive people saying the usual bullshits and thinking that Italians don't suit the game date (I repeat that eastern front armies are set in 1943 during Kursk when Italy was still in the axis side) and also people who still believe that Italian soldiers were sent to war without ammo, rifles, food. Also tanks ahahah you'll read people saying that Italian tanks sucks because they are Italian tanks and not comparing their role against their real counterparts (the M13 is a LIGHT tank not a medium one) and people forgetting that in CoH the armies aren't only infantry and tanks but there are also AT guns, vehicles, commander abilities and aircrafts.
I also don't understand people asking for Afrika Korps that was a part of the axis forces in Africa (we have 5 German divisons with 24 Italian divisions) but who cares? Only because they are Germans they are better. Is it obvious or not?
Also the great Italian lacks were leadership but in game the leader is the player and the lack of resources to produce the vehicles and tanks, but in game you have manpower automatically and you find fuel and ammo all over the map, so the lack of resources (that also doesn't happen to Germans)isn't so important in CoH2.
Also people forgetting that the Italian army of 1943 was very different and modernized compared to the Italian army of 1940 during Greece and Op. Compass that people says everytime when you talk about the Italians and forget the years after.

It's funny calling them axis....when there's no axis in game but only germans


The brits brought in a breath of fresh air like no commander could have ever hope to do, saying people wouldn't buy another faction is asinine if not just for the sake of having more diversity or interesting mechanics, different/unique playstyles, I would actually like to see an axis faction based around the german allies with perhaps some sort of german lend-lease based around early game aggressiveness and way less relying on turtling and late game.

again i do believe that most of the players arent history fans at all but prefer an non-scifi non-modern warfare type of rts. relic never mentioned anything about non-german axis factions and i think they have their reasons (they might not know what we want balance wise, but i do think they got a pretty good understanding of what players would buy). i dont understand how i am asinine or lacking understanding of the what players want. how do you know im wrong and youre right, despite the fact that you yourself would be willing to buy aforementioned factions? i doubt many american/asian players could name a single axis faction other than germans/japan. ofc this is not true for anyone on here, but then again most of us are more interested in the matter than your average coh2 player

p.s. only time will tell who is right/wrong, i guess. my money is on commanders for the existing factions, that might represent some of the forces allied with the germans, but no non-german standalone faction

cheers dave

Isn't PE OKW in CoH2? I think both factions are really similar

PE are basically OKW.

Care to explain why PE and OKW are alike? Because I cannot find any similarity between those two.

Care to explain why PE and OKW are alike? Because I cannot find any similarity between those two.

1. Lots of HTs
2. Lots of very specialised infantry (except Volks)
3. The entire Luft doctrine was ported from OKW
4. No real generalised tank... until the Pz 4J was made doctrinal

Perhaps a Combination of 1943 Italian stuff (105mm Tank Destroyer, 90mm Flak Emplacements, 75mm "Heavy" Tank, Infantry) and German Stuff (Panzer 3, Other German Goodies) merged together?

Ther could be a Panzer Elite Commander with T0 3 men Panzergents that can repair and upgrade to G41s, 250 halftrack call in, munitions halftrack call in, Goliath, auto cannon puma, etc.

Oh great. Another axis faction with panthers. How original.

1. Lots of HTs
2. Lots of very specialised infantry (except Volks)
3. The entire Luft doctrine was ported from OKW
4. No real generalised tank... until the Pz 4J was made doctrinal

1.OKW don't get that much
2.Did you play PE? Panzer Grenadier is their only infantry without using Luft doc.
3.Except Wirblewind, Flak88, Butterfly bomb, Henschel, Luftwaffe ground force... Oh wait, so 5/6 was not ported.
4. What is generalized tank? Panzer IV Ausf A and Marder III are their iconic unit.

again i do believe that most of the players arent history fans at all but prefer an non-scifi non-modern warfare type of rts. relic never mentioned anything about non-german axis factions and i think they have their reasons (they might not know what we want balance wise, but i do think they got a pretty good understanding of what players would buy). i dont understand how i am asinine or lacking understanding of the what players want. how do you know im wrong and youre right, despite the fact that you yourself would be willing to buy aforementioned factions? i doubt many american/asian players could name a single axis faction other than germans/japan. ofc this is not true for anyone on here, but then again most of us are more interested in the matter than your average coh2 player

p.s. only time will tell who is right/wrong, i guess. my money is on commanders for the existing factions, that might represent some of the forces allied with the germans, but no non-german standalone faction

cheers dave

I don't remember if I said that most people would buy new factions but I think that adding new factions that were never portrayed in RTS (or in some) like the Italians (Codename Panzers II, Theater of War and RUSE) could be very interesting because it's really something new from the usual big 4 that obviously must be in WW2 games (USSR, USA, UK and Germany). I don't know and I don't want to spam here but I think you could read on CoH2 official forum the ideas for a possible Italian faction, leaving aside what you think about allies of Germany in WW2 I think that both my idea and Grittle's idea are very suitable for CoH2 (in my honest opinion) my idea is for an Italian army in 1943 while Grittle's is a mixed German-Italian army of the Italian campaign. I really didn't want to be a spammer here but I think that both ideas are ok for CoH2, a different play style as an axis faction and without using fictional weapons but Italian stuffs that I think few know because I think that there's much disinformation about Italians in WW2.
I respect what you think but I hope you'll change your ideas about it. If no, doesn't mind but I hope you'll have a wider perspective about other factions, if you already haven't it.

Cheers Lorenzo

There is a possibility to:

(1) Create an another axis army (Italian army/Africa Corps)

(2) Give commanders from these nations to following armies:
(a) Finland 1944 (Ostheer)
(b) Swedish volunteers in Finland 1944 (Ostheer)
(c) Estonian volunteer in Finland 1944 (Ostheer)
(d) Hungary (Ostheer)
(e) Romania (Ostheer)
(f) Slovakia (Ostheer)
(g) Croatia (Ostheer)
(h) Poland (Free Polish Forces) (UKF)
(i) Canada (UKF)
(j) Australia (UKF)
(k) New Zealand (UKF)
(l) India (UKF)

Optional: (3) Create an another allied army (France/Belgium/Holland 1944-1945)

SS/Osttrupen/Jugend new Faction with :

Roster
-Sturmtroopen
-Hitlerjugend Conscript
-Kettenkrad
-Mercedes-Benz L4500
-"Wiking/Nordland/Skanderbeg" moutain section
-Einsatzgruppen
-Totenkopf kommando
-Blockhaus emplacement
-Marder
-Panzer III
-Hummel
-Nebelwerfer
-Wirbelwind
-Flakvierling
-Tiger I Command Tank
-Tiger B "Henschel" version
-21-cm Mörser 18

Heavy Arty Callin
-V1
-V2
-Me 262 Schwalbe