Flame Hetzer Blows
30 Oct 2015, 11:12 AM
#61
Posts: 1144 | Subs: 7
not really. as other people have mentioned what matters is how much damage you deal and take, and not how many models you kill. its possible to get to vet 5 with 0 kills as long as you keep damaging opponents and your hetzer takes damage as well.
30 Oct 2015, 11:52 AM
#62
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Just delete okw. I am a USF fanboy deluxe at-large and this is getting out of hand. OKW really sucks.
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30 Oct 2015, 14:37 PM
#63
Posts: 281
The heter is a nice idea but the hetzer is so bad. the flamers for sturms are reallly nice.
30 Oct 2015, 14:56 PM
#64
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since the normalization of flame tanks they all are pretty underwhelming. Maybe the nerf to 10 (while being slight) was to much.
Could try making all of them 12 and maybe exclude the bren?
Could try making all of them 12 and maybe exclude the bren?
30 Oct 2015, 15:00 PM
#65
Posts: 281
why they even made the bern carrier the same damdge as over 100 flame tanks?
30 Oct 2015, 15:15 PM
#66
Posts: 513
the funny thing is, most Axis oriented players wanted a nerf to flame weapons (KV8, Croc etc.) and in return they then get a nerfed hetzer that they complain about, its fucking hilarious I'm loving every second
30 Oct 2015, 15:15 PM
#67
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why they even made the bern carrier the same damdge as over 100 flame tanks?
Because people whined how OP flame tanks are, so they nerfed them all by 75% while not really changing much for the WASP, which sucks hard ever since last patch which made it deal whooping 6 damage.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Oct 2015, 15:24 PM
#68
Posts: 742 | Subs: 1
Why do they give OKW a flame based commander the same patch they nerf flame damage by 75%.
You have 1 hour.
You have 1 hour.
30 Oct 2015, 15:24 PM
#69
Posts: 83
even the kv8 pop cap is 14,
why the light turretless is 16 ?
lol lelic
It comes out sooner than a kv8 to be fair...
You axis are the ones that cried all the rivers to nerf flames...well there you have it. Now you have a shitty expensive tank just like all the rest of us and our KV8's.
30 Oct 2015, 15:35 PM
#70
Posts: 500
You axis are the ones that cried all the rivers to nerf flames...well there you have it. Now you have a shitty expensive tank just like all the rest of us and our KV8's.
Referring to any faction or side as 'you' or 'them', or identifying with any makes you lose your credibility pretty fast.
As for the commander, I'm glad it's underperforming rather than overperforming. An underperforming commander is ignored pretty easily, CAS, Rifle comp or Windustry not so much.
30 Oct 2015, 16:18 PM
#71
Posts: 83
Are you sure? It doesn't seem unintended. At least to me from patch notes.
They pretty much wanted to make flames do the same dmg across the board.
30 Oct 2015, 16:30 PM
#72
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Why do they give OKW a flame based commander the same patch they nerf flame damage by 75%.
You have 1 hour.
Correct answer is: "Lelic".
30 Oct 2015, 16:43 PM
#73
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From my short experience and testing the flamer does acceptable damage at vet1. It also has really good top mg, it deals more damage than the flamer prior vet 1 Kappa So it is one of those units that need at least vet 1 to become usefull. There are 2 problems that I can see: it should be cp7 not cp8 and it should have more hp to take one more at round, now its pretty easy to kill.
As for the whole doctrine arty is really good and can be dropped at base, flamers are also great making sturmpios scale much better. Just the recoup losses seem to not work at all, 80 muni lost for nothing.
As for the whole doctrine arty is really good and can be dropped at base, flamers are also great making sturmpios scale much better. Just the recoup losses seem to not work at all, 80 muni lost for nothing.
30 Oct 2015, 20:25 PM
#74
Posts: 23
Im not sure if OKW can afford spend 100 fuel on tank that cant damage other vehicles while using munition on flamethrowers on SPs instead of on shreks for Volks.
This is highlighted by need to deal with fast Stuart and late game Pershing
I played with Hetzer few games and its performance is not so impressive and lack of turret dont allow drive around ATGs and kill them like with KV8
Hetzer is not good enough to cost more than 50% of panther fuel or 73% of P4 fuel
This is highlighted by need to deal with fast Stuart and late game Pershing
I played with Hetzer few games and its performance is not so impressive and lack of turret dont allow drive around ATGs and kill them like with KV8
Hetzer is not good enough to cost more than 50% of panther fuel or 73% of P4 fuel
30 Oct 2015, 20:34 PM
#75
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Permanently BannedThe issue isn't the fuel cost, the issue is the performance.
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axis
30 Oct 2015, 21:32 PM
#76
Posts: 23
And what performance you expect/want from turretless, low HP, paper armor, flamethrower tank? Napalm super cooker?
30 Oct 2015, 21:44 PM
#77
Posts: 1116 | Subs: 1
Permanently BannedHow about usable veterancy? And something. More than warm water sprayer? Flame tanks damage nerf by to 10 was way too high. Flame damage needs to go up to at minimum 13. Dot damage nerf by 60% is already fine, and may have made molotovs and okw nades worthless. Those weapons need iniial damage to 20 from 10 at the very least. Lelic'd
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axis
30 Oct 2015, 21:57 PM
#78
Posts: 16
Flame sturmpios is pretty nice, but other than that I'm not a huge fan of this commander so far. (Not sure if its worth delaying mines or shreck)
Hetzer seems a tad sluggish, was hoping it would move just a little quicker since it has no turret. I would rather have an Ostwind at 8cp.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it cant shoot and move at the same time right?
Ill prolly be sticking to breakthrough doctrine, and get a jagtiger for all these pershings and comets.
Hetzer seems a tad sluggish, was hoping it would move just a little quicker since it has no turret. I would rather have an Ostwind at 8cp.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it cant shoot and move at the same time right?
Ill prolly be sticking to breakthrough doctrine, and get a jagtiger for all these pershings and comets.
30 Oct 2015, 22:40 PM
#79
Posts: 1604 | Subs: 3
Just got 2 Hetzers out in a 4vs4 
4 kills on them OpieOP
4 kills on them OpieOP
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30 Oct 2015, 23:44 PM
#80
Posts: 1930
why they even made the bern carrier the same damdge as over 100 flame tanks?
pretty sure the wasp and the churchill used the same fuel mixture and actual flame thrower.
I am not aware that the croc somehow shoots out hotter flame than a wasp.
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