its going to be 280/100 just an fyi for the flame hetzer when it goes live.
Now just fix population cost for the Emperor.
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28 Oct 2015, 21:38 PM
#61
Posts: 103
Now just fix population cost for the Emperor.
28 Oct 2015, 21:57 PM
#62
Posts: 145
No vet ability for Hetzer? lazy ...
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28 Oct 2015, 22:03 PM
#63
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
No vet ability for Hetzer? lazy ...
Half OKW units do not have ability at vet1 and you complain about hetzer?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Oct 2015, 22:06 PM
#64
Posts: 1124
Personally I bought every commander that relic has released for axis. This commander will be my first not to buy. I don't agree with SPs getting the flamer (would rather have it on volks/replaces shreck upgrade), I don't agree with the hetzer tank at all (turretless tank that's supposed to perform in urban areas??), that fuel is and will always be better spent on a stuka and panther. Seem like a 4v4 commander or a 1v1 commander. Just another commander that heavily relys on muni.
28 Oct 2015, 22:17 PM
#65
Posts: 90
so, the relic realize their mistakes during their stream one day before the release of the patch?...cheering
Cruzz probably knows game better then Relic does.
Lelic, plz...
28 Oct 2015, 22:26 PM
#66
Posts: 15
so, the relic realize their mistakes during their stream one day before the release of the patch?...cheering
Probably used the 'test build/version' in the stream.
Anything shown there is not final (subject to change), but sometimes they forget to mention that.
They where kind enough and let us know here on this website.
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28 Oct 2015, 22:35 PM
#67
Posts: 1248
Relic shows how balanced it is.... until its released 
28 Oct 2015, 23:01 PM
#68
Posts: 65
I was thinking of spamming flame sp and volks in early game to counter UKF sniper play and then I found flame sp need 1 cp, recoup losses need 2cp and they all need plenty of munitions...
GG.
GG.
28 Oct 2015, 23:02 PM
#69
Posts: 90
Probably used the 'test build/version' in the stream.
Anything shown there is not final (subject to change), but sometimes they forget to mention that.
They where kind enough and let us know here on this website.
ok I want to believe in your theory, but why stream with an old or outdated version of the game? to show features old and wrong? plz...
Cruzz probably knows game better then Relic does.
Lelic, plz...
28 Oct 2015, 23:14 PM
#70
Posts: 34
ok I want to believe in your theory, but why strem with an old or outdated version of the game? to show features old and wrong? plz...
So the developers decide to make a positive change and they still get heat? wow...
28 Oct 2015, 23:19 PM
#71
Posts: 824
So Hetzer will at least be a decent cost, but still 8cp is pretty late and Flamers on SturmPios still seems like a downgrade(like G43 on PZGrens). For a commander that is going to directly compete with Scavenge, it is still not up to par.
Allow Volks to get Flamers, but disable Shreks on purchase. Decrease MP refund rate on the 2CP ability to compensate and not encourage too much Volk blobbing. The muni costs of all this will keep it under control and not make it ridiculous (some players are afraid of raoming flamer and Shrek Volk blobs, but the muni cost on this would be very high and USF riflemen already do it better).
Allow Volks to get Flamers, but disable Shreks on purchase. Decrease MP refund rate on the 2CP ability to compensate and not encourage too much Volk blobbing. The muni costs of all this will keep it under control and not make it ridiculous (some players are afraid of raoming flamer and Shrek Volk blobs, but the muni cost on this would be very high and USF riflemen already do it better).
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28 Oct 2015, 23:24 PM
#72
Posts: 4928
I don't get recoup losses on OKW, does Relic not follow their own faction statement at all? Relic says OKW is a depleted late-war Army with an aggressive early game. When OKW actually has an abundance of troops (often more than Soviets) and a fragile early game.
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28 Oct 2015, 23:24 PM
#73
Posts: 521
nice
28 Oct 2015, 23:32 PM
#74
Posts: 90
So the developers decide to make a positive change and they still get heat? wow...
positive change are good but the what's around that bother me
Cruzz probably knows game better then Relic does.
Lelic, plz...
28 Oct 2015, 23:54 PM
#75
Posts: 1384
>People bitch and moan about kv8 and flame weapons.
>Relic balance them out by making flame weapons not instantly wipe squads
>Waah flame hetzer sucks
You guys astound me.
It's about keeping units out of cover, limiting their movement and forcing them to move. I could see this being a very powerful commander on urban maps.
I thought the whole point was they didn't get vet abilities but instead got 5 levels of vet?
>Relic balance them out by making flame weapons not instantly wipe squads
>Waah flame hetzer sucks
You guys astound me.
It's about keeping units out of cover, limiting their movement and forcing them to move. I could see this being a very powerful commander on urban maps.
Half OKW units do not have ability at vet1 and you complain about hetzer?
I thought the whole point was they didn't get vet abilities but instead got 5 levels of vet?
29 Oct 2015, 02:53 AM
#76
Posts: 134
i think the flame tanks were nerfed a bit too much judgeing how the hetzer performs
29 Oct 2015, 03:41 AM
#77
Posts: 36
why the turretless flamehezter pop cap is 16 ??
even the pop cap of heavy flame tank that has turret (kv8) is only 14
even the pop cap of heavy flame tank that has turret (kv8) is only 14
29 Oct 2015, 04:39 AM
#78
Posts: 622
Flame thrower i feels it is nerf to SP, because most time SP need to chase enemy infantry.
Recoup Losses err i thought relic is going to nerf blobing, and this thing is just suggesting blobing wth.
still not too found in Hezter, feels like big brother of flame WASP, i hope turning speed is good because 135 fuel it is 201FU for other factions for a tank can't fight other tanks and OKW pretty much force to get a JP4 in early game because Centaur, so 8cp pretty much is right time for it as it have to be a 2nd tank. I was hoping it can serve as JP4 and flame like KV8 does being a KV1 and a flame tank, but its frontal armor makes up i guess. will see others play how good this unit is until jump on it.
Rocket barrage is kind too expansive like most the OKW off map art, oh well hope it is not as useless as other offmap art OKW have. (today i used fort commander's zeroring art, somehow it only drop like 4-6 arounds on the edge, the USF player's whole army stayed in mid of circle the whole time didn't take any shots, my teammate and I is like WTF, nice 300 Mu in the drain.
Recoup Losses err i thought relic is going to nerf blobing, and this thing is just suggesting blobing wth.
still not too found in Hezter, feels like big brother of flame WASP, i hope turning speed is good because 135 fuel it is 201FU for other factions for a tank can't fight other tanks and OKW pretty much force to get a JP4 in early game because Centaur, so 8cp pretty much is right time for it as it have to be a 2nd tank. I was hoping it can serve as JP4 and flame like KV8 does being a KV1 and a flame tank, but its frontal armor makes up i guess. will see others play how good this unit is until jump on it.
Rocket barrage is kind too expansive like most the OKW off map art, oh well hope it is not as useless as other offmap art OKW have. (today i used fort commander's zeroring art, somehow it only drop like 4-6 arounds on the edge, the USF player's whole army stayed in mid of circle the whole time didn't take any shots, my teammate and I is like WTF, nice 300 Mu in the drain.
29 Oct 2015, 04:42 AM
#79
Posts: 3552 | Subs: 2
Nobody with a working brain will buy this excuse of a commander.
See, the crusade against "P2W DLC" is working!
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29 Oct 2015, 04:46 AM
#80
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This thread is a good example of how hypocritical this community is.
Commander doesn't seem op at first glance: "Never gonna buy that shit"
Commander looks OP: "Relic is destroying this game with their P2W dlc policy but I'm gonna buy and abuse the commander anyways."
lololol
What + are we up to now?
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