Su-85
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The su-85 is curently in a bad spot, It is out classed by the su-76. I think the Unit needs some love, espacailly in scaling since it comes out pretty late. What do you guys think?
Nothing wrong with it. of course its not the tools for noobs you need to properly support and scout ahead.
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Su85 is a rapid, spammable TD with default maphack ability.
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Permanently BannedThat's probably a problem with the SU-76 being too good for cost.
Can reliably penetrate Tiger at vet 0
Meanwhile su85 is just lackluster. No reason to choose it when you can have 3 su76s by the time you can get one su85
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Nothing wrong with it. of course its not the tools for noobs you need to properly support and scout ahead.
I did not ask for advise how to use this unit.
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That's probably a problem with the SU-76 being too good for cost.
+1 agreed.
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The problem is that the SU-76 does the same thing for a much cheaper cost while having utility vs infantry. Making the SU-85 unnecessary.
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On the other hand, Su85 is fine but needs a better vet1 ability. See for example JPIV, which is fine unit but shines because of BS cloaking capabilities.
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Su76 is really good for timing and performance. Not "OP" but does it job perfectly.The SU-76 scales way too well. It's supposed to be a light tank destroyer, but performs as well as the medium tank destroyers. It should be able to take on P4s, but should start suffering vs Panthers and Tigers.
The result I have been seeing is soviet players spamming them well into the late game which is ridiculous. Imagine if axis players were able spam Pumas and destroy IS-2s, that's pretty much what it's like. If soviet players want something to counter panthers and tigers they should be relying on SU-85s not su-76s.
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Su76 is really good for timing and performance. Not "OP" but does it job perfectly.
On the other hand, Su85 is fine but needs a better vet1 ability. See for example JPIV, which is fine unit but shines because of BS cloaking capabilities.
The SU-76 is definitely overperforming with vet vs vehicles and in the AI department with the free low CD barrage.
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However as stated by others, SU-76 performs good enough that you'll never really need an SU-85
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SU-76 is decent but in late game they die very fast due to the HP and lack of armour.
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