[AXIS] [All modes] [PIV should be on par with Ez8/t3485]

Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2015, 22:04 PMPanzerschützen

give it 25 more pen all ranges, problem solved.

Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2015, 20:52 PMAlexzandvar

Well considering you can get more Zooks than Shreks now with the munitions change, can get AT mines are you basic infantry unit, and pretty much every USF tank now comes with decent penetration (with more on the way) I think we can finally put the meme of "USF has no good AT" to rest.

Bottom line the PIV has no justification for it's current cost in the context of the prohibitive teching required for it in a 1v1 or 2v2 scenario. Either bring the cost down or give it some better pen or scatter to make it worth the cost more.

My suggestion in the change in cost since the Cromwell is basically just a PIV just put it at 115 and put the OKW PIV at 125.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 06:58 AMEsxile

Reducing the Fuel price will simply put the Pz4 on the field faster than any counter part. It is why the sherman has been buffed in first hand. Both unit are hitting the field around the same time today.

Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2015, 15:45 PMThe_rEd_bEar

I want the t34/76 to be on par with a panther

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 00:24 AMNuclear Arbitor

most med vs med tank battles come down to RNG. just because it costs more doesn't mean it always wins. what you're paying for with the IV is better armour than the other mediums, good AT/AI in the same gun, and krupp steel.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 08:38 AMEsxile

Ostheer Pz4 hits the field at 190 investment in structures (T1+T2+T3) + 125 Pz4 fuel
Sherman hits the field at 200 in structure (T1+T3+ ambulance + Bar/zook) + 110 sherman fuel.
Now add T2 instead of T1 and USF is 210
Add grenades and we are at 225 fuel for T1 and 235 fuel for T2 start.

Now before someone says USF upgrades are optional. If your USF opponent can rush a sherman without ambulance + bar or + grenade or all of them, you probably deserve to lose anyway.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 11:05 AMZyllen

Lets ignore the much stronger usf early game and high mp cost for ost teching.

I vote for 110 fuel on this one. 120 for the okw version.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 11:46 AMIron Emperor

I'd vote for the same price but increased armour penetration. So that it can penetrate heavier tanks a bit more reliant.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 12:48 PMIron Emperor

I don't say that they need to penetrate IS-2 front armour. But it only penetrates 1 out of 10 shots in the rear armour. Even had 1 game with 4 Pz4's (Ostheer) firing on it's rear armour. I lost all my Pz4's and he still had his IS-2. So penetration it needs

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 12:32 PMEsxile

Should we ignore the much stronger Ostheer late game? Doesn't sound like an argument to me.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 11:36 AMbert69

P4 comes at the same time as a sherman currently, with ~2 pak gun support, any price decrease/ stat increase will damage this balance. Furthermore, its a generalist tank, meaning its supposed to be a soft counter to everything. You want AI tank? Ostwind. You want AT tank? Stug G.
I'm beginning to think you make posts and balance suggestions when you don't even know gameplay basics.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:04 PMZyllen

is their some cheat or something that allows players to have unending mp?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2015, 14:04 PMZyllen

is their some cheat or something that allows players to have unending mp?