Problem2x ISG has became a nightmare for anyone playing as brits these days. The 2 rather cheap arties render all brits emplacements useless and also wipe IS and pin and wipe HMGs.
Solution #1: Increase the cost to 500MP and reduce the penetration value from 80 down to 25 and lower the range to 70. or;
Solution #2: Remove the pinning effect and reduce the penetration value from 80 down to 25 and lower the range to 70.
Its range needs to be much shorter than what it currently is.
The whole point of arty is to counter static defensive positions. what both leig and the pak howie needs is that the suppression modifier is reverted to the previous patch.
Imho, either its autoattack needs to be toned down, or it needs to be made more expensive, while 660 MP for 2 leigs is a hefty investment, they basically mean an auto win for the OKW in any engagement within its range.
My only complaint is that people who buy leigs are probably not even aware when it wipes a squad, it should require micro, however little to be made effective. Maybe set it to permanent hold fire, and will only fire when you specifically command it to attack a unit or barrage a target?
The leIG was supposed to help in these situations, which is understandable and indeed needed. However it's ridiculously potent and game braking against the brits and their core design element, emplacements.
The LeiG is batshit insane this patch. It combines the utility of a sniper at long range, and a Maxim at shorter ones, except unlike the maxim it sometimes instapins after a single shot.
The argument that LeIG is necessary to deal with Brits and therefore must remain a beast versus infantry, for some reason ... yeah, that doesn't hold water. Brit emplacements are enormous, and for a reason - increasing scatter wouldn't really affect the gun's damage against them.
And why should its range be justified with "it needs to deal with 120mm mortar"? Why not increase the range of the 120mm because "it needs that range to deal with the LeIG"? The logic is exactly the same. LeIG is more mobile than the mortar, because there is no setup / unsetup time. OKW players need to get over the concept that their unit must automatically be better than all its counterparts for reasons.
A single Leig/Pack Howie does not insta-pin. Please someone show me a replay where this happens, because I have yet to see it. The unit either needs a cost increase or a slight scatter increase, but don't make it like it was before where it was a very inaccurate PoS.
The moment one axis unit transforms from only expensive and shitty to usefull al allied fanboys start filling the forums with their tears.
And what should OKW has to destroy emplacements? Kubelwagens? OKW hasn't howitzers, normal mortars, etc. Wurframen comes late, costs fuel - and OKW is a faction with penalty - and does shit agains emplacements. In addition it has a looooong reload time. Sorry, I disagree rushing as hell a jagdpanzer just to kill one of your emplacements. There have to be other options like balistic weapons that are good for something.
In fact, you guys simply cannot abuse of emplacements anymore in early game, so you can confortably wait for your churchills and call the ISG OP. Pfff....
This thread is ridiculous and full of people who want an "I win" button sooo badly so they can masturbate at their british stats.
Alot of why this unit is good at the moment is because it needed to be, brit emplacements have the same vunerabilities as okw trucks except the trucks don't have brace.
LeIG was originally used to counter all indirect fire wasting away trucks, it got given suppression because relic cant balance mg34 or kubel and to get people to actually use the unit instead of spending that mp towards more ober/volks blobs.
The minute my LeIG can fire on things directly in front of it or has 6 men you can compare it to the maxim. It does have to be pointed at the targets its firing at so I will concede that, but hey what does setup time really mean?
The problem is that brits lack a counter proper counter for isg spam.
Soviets -> Katyusha
USF -> Priest / Pack Howi spam
Brits -> ??? AVRE but it comes far too late to be an effective counter.
The infantry support gun/pack howi should provide indirect fire to support your units and punish turteling, but they should not win all the engangments on their own. Right now they act like supressing platforms with huge ranges.
They were fine before the recent changes, but now the are far too dominant.
In addition infantry support guns hard counter brit emplacements since brace was nerfed. Games simply don't make fun anymore since infantry combat, a core mechanic, is nullified by team weapon spam.
The moment one axis unit transforms from only expensive and shitty to usefull al allied fanboys start filling the forums with their tears.
And what should OKW has to destroy emplacements? Kubelwagens? OKW hasn't howitzers, normal mortars, etc. Wurframen comes late, costs fuel - and OKW is a faction with penalty - and does shit agains emplacements. In addition it has a looooong reload time. Sorry, I disagree rushing as hell a jagdpanzer just to kill one of your emplacements. There have to be other options like balistic weapons that are good for something.
In fact, you guys simply cannot abuse of emplacements anymore in early game, so you can confortably wait for your churchills and call the ISG OP. Pfff....
This thread is ridiculous and full of people who want an "I win" button sooo badly so they can masturbate at their british stats.
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Stop your bias man it's so funny, go play allies sometimes you will learn that the "i win" button is on the axis camp
EDIT: I agree, that OKW need a counter to emplacements, but it's an overbuff, brits don't get a mobile mortar, it's need a balance
Johhny, what if I play Soviets and US and in fact have no emplacements. Are you saying the LeIG is magically unable to fire at my troops and supress them from mortar range with zero micro requirement?
I suppose I just want an "I win button", huh. I'm such a noob.
Stop your bias man it's so funny, go play allies sometimes you will learn that the "i win" button is on the axis camp
EDIT: I agree, that OKW need a counter to emplacements, but it's an overbuff, brits don't get a mobile mortar, it's need a balance
No he is correct their is a shitload of bias here. despite the pak howie does FAR more damage and suppression their is not single thread about it. current leigh is fine and people need to accept that this unit is actually useful.
Christ this reminds when the mg42 got buffed to no longer suck their was a major outcry by noobie fanboys that could no longer oorah + molotov right into a mg42.
Revert last patch changes for both leig and pack howi. Replace vet1 with smoke or Blendkörper 2H Frangible Smoke Grenade No need to overnerf leig it was useless long enough.