When is 210 + 15 greater than 280 + 40?

When it is a 222 scout car versus a M8 Greyhound.

In testing, a stock 222 beats a Greyhound every time. If you spend the 70 munitions to upgrade to armor skirts, the Greyhound barely beats the 222.

Adding to the imbalance, the Greyhound has 7 popcap versus 5 for the 222, so the cost differential grows by 3 per minute. It used to be somewhat okay back when canister shot was good, but now it does nothing, while still costing 50 munitions.

The standard sight on the armored cars is the same, but 30 munitions gives the 222 nearly double the sight range, so much it looks almost like a map hack.

This is only one of the problems with the Recon Company.
*forward observers are bugged
*IR pathfinders can drop arty at only about 1/2 of their sight range, so it can be difficult to use their arty without getting sighted.
*recon sweep costs 10 munitions more than a major's recon, while only having marginally better flexibility
*Airdropped Combat Group costs 900 mp, which makes it useless in a 1v1. Dropping the group with an AT gun isn't a plus if you want to use it strategically, as you will likely give your opponent an AT gun. While it sucks versus OKW or OST, it is not so bad against USF with their paper-thin armor. Also, having a paratrooper squad drop with bazooka's isn't really a plus.

I agree OP.

edit: nm, i misread.

basically the greyhound is still shit and doesn't have the canister shot crutch.

I feel like the Greyhound is priced fairly as a unit that should spawn with skirts. They can make a pintle MG as an extra cost if they want, but currently it is NOT worth its high fuel price, especially when you can get a Stuart out faster.

I feel like the Greyhound is priced fairly as a unit that should spawn with skirts. They can make a pintle MG as an extra cost if they want, but currently it is NOT worth its high fuel price, especially when you can get a Stuart out faster.

The Stuart comes out faster and is much better overall. The Greyhound wouldn't bother me as much if it spawned with skirts, and maybe slightly better sight. Cannister was nerfed so badly that it should have just been replaced with something else, like spotting scopes.

IMO if the greyhound crew could lay mines or something it might be worth it.

Well, the Greyhound's AI is kinda higher then the 222, so that might be why it costs so much. Though I agree the Greyhound needs some serious love for it's price, it's just not worth it. On a different note, a 222 should not have so much pen imo, i've lost destroyed main gun shermans to those things.

Well, the Greyhound's AI is kinda higher then the 222, so that might be why it costs so much. Though I agree the Greyhound needs some serious love for it's price, it's just not worth it. On a different note, a 222 should not have so much pen imo, i've lost destroyed main gun shermans to those things.

Well, that would be an argument if greyhound price was similar to 222. Its not even close, especially fuel-wise.

Its fine that M20 loses to 222, but Greyhound with 37mm cannon losing to a puny AC?
Terrible scale of 222 also doesn't help here, making people believe it was much bigger and bulky then it actually was.

There isn't really a single thing excusing M8 performance against 222, skirts or not.

-"Why 6Pndr is cheaper but better than PaK40?+

-"Different armies, different roles"

This is the kind of answer that is becoming a trend in forums.

I haven't seen it in a long time. Good indicator that its UP or that the Stuart, does the same and is more preferred since it doesn't lock you in a doctrine.

If it costs more than 222, AND has same role, it pretty well ought to beat 222. +1 OP

What about teching costs though? MVGame
Kidding though, the Greyhound should definitly get a buff.

Just put Greyhound in the Captain Tier and give the Stuart to the underpowered Commander. Doesn't solve any of the problems but why not.

Just put Greyhound in the Captain Tier and give the Stuart to the underpowered Commander. Doesn't solve any of the problems but why not.

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Would be nice if the forward observers would be fixed. This commander would be no a brainer vs OKW when the bugs are gone IMO. It works so well with the pack howie (wich is sick this patch)

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Like he already stated himself.

Remove Canister Shot and give it the T-70 Gun!

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Stop being so uptight, it's weekend.

Stop being so uptight, it's weekend.

So pour me one and lets get on with it, it can be even your crappy german beer!

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