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Vickers is high damage, low suppression. Vet one is godly in buildings
MG-42 is high surpression, medium damage. MG-42 vet 1 is godly
USF 50 cal (largest bullet) garbage damage and suppression, dies to everything
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Katitof, how does the DHSK stack up?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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MG42 DPS: 7.85 / 25.85(double with vet1 active)
Vickers DPS: 7.33 / 34.86
.50 cal DPS: 9.09 / 27.30
Only far DPS is relevant, because no squad ever gets to receive this at close.
Why do people keep pulling stuff out of their rears instead of doing facts checks.....
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WhY do people keep Pulling stats out of rears instead of playing the game?
Vickers kill more /faster models ingame, due low suppression, because you know what baditof? Supression decreases the received damage/accuracy so it actually kills faster ingame but you cant see that on your theorycrafting paper.
Play.the.game.
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You know what suppersion keeps a squad in the arc of fire. If a mg doesn't suppres fast enough a squad crawls out of the arc. Suppresion is not a bad thing.
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I'm not sure if you're retarded on purpose or its a natural gift.
I gave raw stats. Nothing more.
You're reading the stuff that isn't even there.
You're completely clueless on what people ask for and what answer is.
If you feel like supplementing info, then pull your head out of your ass and do just that-post another info.
You're a HUGE dick, but I'm not calling you one after every single post you make.
You're simply another tool trying to get into flame war.
Just wait until official forums are up and running again, then rot like you can go back there.
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The MG42 doesn't get 25% more range/sight in buildings/garrisons at Vet 1, and the penetration buff at Vet 2 gives it more pen than the HMG42.
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Vickers is better in buildings/trenches and an amazing HMG. It's great at what it does.
Mg42 is also great at what it does, probably slightly weaker than the vickers all things considered (there are plenty of extremely relevant stats being left out of this discussion like burst length).
The extra range in buildings at vet 1 is insanely good and the vickers can self spot (unless this was reverted?) more things that throwing stats at each other instead of playing the game fail to exemplify.
Both HMGs are strong and cost effective... Why is this a thread?
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The Vickers can only self spot if you recrew it with Tommies that have been upgraded with Pyrotechnics supplies. However:
- You will be paying a 35MP reinforcement cost on the crew (Tommies will use their old reinforcement cost due to a bug)
- Pyrotechnics supplies suffers from the same woes that offensive veterancy does; only the initial models receive upgraded sight
Having said, that, I agree with everything you said, except for one thing; How can the lengthier burst of the Vickers ever be considered as an advantage (and not a disadvantage):
- Even with the burst length factored, Vickers definitely deals less suppression per unit of time
- Longer burst length means that the enemy can dive out-of-sight/in cover during your burst, and thus receive less suppression/damage
Sure, if the burst length of the MG42 and the Vickers were equal, the Vickers would be even worse. However, what did you have in mind?
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The vickers should always be able to self spot in a garrison at vet 1 but I thought it has more natural line of sight as well? I may be remembering wrong or this was something changed in the old Brit alpha. Maybe some one could dig up the stats for us? I'm not at home.
As for the longer bursts I feel like the vickers spends a lot more time shooting and a lot less time reloading. Once a unit gets suppressed it is effectively stuck in the arc in most cases anyways. Always feels like my Vickers do a lot more damage than my MG42s even though I love using both units.
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it does more damage due lower suppresion. it wont pin instantly like an mg42 and therefore the squad which is shot at wont get the -50% recieved accuarcy bonus from beeing yellow suppressed.
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Yeah if you want actual damage, you don't want to suppress quickly because suppression basically neuters damage done to the suppressed squad. But if you're not looking for the suppression then why use an MG really?
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