Being on both using and receiving ends I feel Wermaht mortars are a bit on the over performing side.
Not by a lot but nether the less they are. I think very slight adjustment is required.
Mayby slight rate of fire reduction? Small tweak to its accuracy?
Wermaht mortars too good?
5 Sep 2015, 17:57 PM
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5 Sep 2015, 17:58 PM
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Being on both using and receiving ends I feel Wermaht mortars are a bit on the over performing side.
Not by a lot but nether the less they are. I think very slight adjustment is required.
Mayby slight rate of fire reduction? Small tweak to its accuracy?
I think theres already something in the up coming patch about nerfing them...
Altho sov stock mortars are just as good tbh... + half the scatter on the barrage.
5 Sep 2015, 18:10 PM
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I've noticed this too.. Playing both against and as Ostheer. They're too accurate it seems. Have they been buffed recently? There've been so many patch notes recently I haven't read all of them.
5 Sep 2015, 18:15 PM
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They're getting a huge fire rate nerf in the (not yet live) patch notes. Go read them.
5 Sep 2015, 18:19 PM
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Nerf? Why that? The mortar pit is wrecking them?
5 Sep 2015, 19:59 PM
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They're getting a huge fire rate nerf in the (not yet live) patch notes. Go read them.
Link please.
5 Sep 2015, 20:04 PM
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Link please.
http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/company-of-heroes-2-general-discussion/67-coh-2-changelog?p=204119#post204119
Reload time going up from 2.4 to 4. For comparison, the PM-41's is 7.5 seconds (though other factors affect both weapons' true fire-rate).
5 Sep 2015, 20:04 PM
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Link please.
GRW34 81mm Mortar
Reload increased from 2.4 to 4
http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/company-of-heroes-2-general-discussion/67-coh-2-changelog/page7
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6 Sep 2015, 08:08 AM
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Thanks. I wonder if that's not too much though. I guess we'll see when it's live.B
6 Sep 2015, 08:25 AM
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I thinks its a tad too much (i.e. should have nerfed it to 3s not 4) but we'll see. Its damn obvious that the mortar is overperforming.
Actually, all AoE weapons have been reworked so they have consistent damage by increasing the pen and accuracy values. That's whats caused this change. Its just most noticeable on the ostheer mortar
Actually, all AoE weapons have been reworked so they have consistent damage by increasing the pen and accuracy values. That's whats caused this change. Its just most noticeable on the ostheer mortar
6 Sep 2015, 08:59 AM
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It's not called the "turbo mortar" for nothing. Even nerfed it's still miles better than the PM-41. It's been an issue for aeons..
6 Sep 2015, 09:18 AM
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If we could first nerf the of the bofors, then perhaps nerf the German Mortar. 
6 Sep 2015, 10:23 AM
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It's getting needed as well. See preview patch notes. Link above.
6 Sep 2015, 10:28 AM
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If we could first nerf the of the bofors, then perhaps nerf the German Mortar.
What is actually wrong in nerfing 2 overperforming units at once, especially when one of them had it coming for over a year?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
6 Sep 2015, 10:48 AM
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Reportedly the actual barrage on the ost mortar is unaffected by reload so we'll see how much of a change this actually ends up being.
6 Sep 2015, 13:11 PM
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What is actually wrong in nerfing 2 overperforming units at once, especially when one of them had it coming for over a year?
Because Katikof, if they nerf to much at the same time, lelic will screw up again. Nerfing two things is to much for lelic, they usually tend to overnerf a certain thing (ML20/conscripts) and nerfing something else to slightly to eventually nerf it further (combat blitz/Tiger Ace/IS2/ISU152 etc etc).
They need to focus on one thing and one thing at a time
6 Sep 2015, 13:14 PM
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Because Katikof, if they nerf to much at the same time, lelic will screw up again. Nerfing two things is to much for lelic, they usually tend to overnerf a certain thing (ML20/conscripts) and nerfing something else to slightly to eventually nerf it further (combat blitz/Tiger Ace/IS2/ISU152 etc etc).
They need to focus on one thing and one thing at a time
That is why we have balance preview?
And if you're talking about nerfing stuff too much, go check the penta nerf on bofors.
And if they would rebalance just one unit at a time(which I think you try to talk about), then we won't have the game balanced in 10 years.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
6 Sep 2015, 13:20 PM
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That is why we have balance preview?
And if you're talking about nerfing stuff too much, go check the penta nerf on bofors.
And if they would rebalance just one unit at a time(which I think you try to talk about), then we won't have the game balanced in 10 years.
Ah so good of you to take the bait, I knew you would call out this balance madness of op german game designing!
Look how good the bofors is performing, it surely doesn't need a nerf, working as intended huh!
I know that we have balance previews, we also have Alphas and Betas, but they somehow never seem to get rid of the over performing units or horrible ideas now do they?
No I wasn't referring to balancing one unit at a time, I was just exaggerating!
6 Sep 2015, 13:27 PM
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You are not reading what I have written, so I'm not even going to bother with responding to it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
7 Sep 2015, 06:02 AM
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He was trolling you katitof you went for it. I'm just happy its getting balanced
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
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Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
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Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
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Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
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Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy 
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Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. 
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24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
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Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
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Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
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adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
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Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
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Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
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Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
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Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
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Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
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OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
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Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
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Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
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12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
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theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
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KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
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