Buff Conscript PPSh-41 long range to match Mosin DPS

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 08:30 AMKatitof

Short range only infantry with low damage, short range upgrade would have better rec acc then dedicated long range infantry and mid range infantry with incomparably better weapons, so that short range infantry with short range upgrade wouldn't be torn apart on approach and actually stand up long enough to deal damage with their weak weapons despite them being dedicated CQC doctrinal upgrade?

Who in his right mind would do that?

Oh, I know!

Anyone having a slightest clue on how balance works!

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 10:28 AMMr. Someguy

Assault Engineers, Assault Grenadiers, Assault Guards, Paratroopers, Cavalry Riflemen, Rangers, and Urban Assault Light Infantry

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 10:48 AMKatitof

You know what is a common for all these units and not for ppsh cons?

They load their guns with real bullets instead of "bang" flags.

Con ppsh is LEAST effective CQC weapon in game, its less effective then certain rifles and assault rifles that deal great damage at mid and long range as well.

Alternative to giving con ppsh survivability buff post upgrade, you can always buff the dps of ppsh themselves, so they actually kill stuff once they are on top of it, because with current DPS, they certainly don't.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 17:48 PMAlexzandvar

I think your exaggerating. Ass Gren MP40's do a grand total of 1 more DPS at close range.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 18:36 PMVuther

Yeah, but there's 5 AGs so the DPS difference in practice will be more significant.

Not that AGs are amazing...

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 06:03 AMJaedrik

Not at all.
In fact, opportunity cost is the sum of everything that could have been done otherwise with the munitions.
That it is so common place does not diminish its significance.
Resource management is an integral part of this game.
One might say it adds depth.

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 21:10 PMOuTLaWSTaR

So you want basic infantry to wreck up close and long range... No

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 21:10 PMOuTLaWSTaR

So you want basic infantry to wreck up close and long range... No

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 21:15 PMThe_rEd_bEar

cons rekt at long range? Holy shit what patch do you have?

Jump back to quoted post30 Aug 2015, 10:28 AMMr. Someguy

That would make Conscripts the second most durable assault infantry in the game, that's a little bit too much. It's superior to Assault Engineers, Assault Grenadiers, Assault Guards, Paratroopers, Cavalry Riflemen, Rangers, and Urban Assault Light Infantry, in other words every other SMG Assault unit in the game except Shock Troops.

-Anyway-

As some other people mentioned, it would also be nice if the PPSh was made a global upgrade a-la BAR from CoH1. A global PPSh upgrade could boost close range DPS and retain long range DPS, which isn't great but you wouldn't want to lose it. As someone suggested in the shout box earlier, the doctrine PPSh could then be replaced with an SVT Upgrade which would act somewhat like a G43, though perhaps not as potent.