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So why does the SU-76 have great AT but also come with a free AI barrage? There should be a trade-off.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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A weakened Zis barrage for free needs to change, yet a perfect line Stuka zu fus shot that goes over obstacles due to non existent gyroscopic magic for free is fine? I dunno, the SU76 barrage can't really threaten more than one squad at a time and against OKW sit there for one shell to many and the volks will kil it. Don't see why it can't keep what is clearly it's trick, coco drying even being free before didn't justify building it, says a lot about the barrage.
If this barrage needs a cost, quite simply how is it we justify the Stika Zu Fus landing so perfectly at zero Vet for free? Aware of them being different units but the 76 barrage is a feather tickler. OP is mobile just not showing the vote anymore or did it go badly and you removed it?
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The Jagtiger barrage isn't free... I don't mind the SU-76 being a good TD but it doesn,t need the barrage to be a good tank.
Jagdtiger.
Also, SU-76 is not and never was a pure TD, ever.
Its a FIELD GUN on trucks, its purpose and use was BOTH light artillery and AT support, hence the reflection of it in game.
You all are bitching about a unit that was extinct forever, suddenly came back and you have no clue on how to fight it.
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Adapt, learn to play, PaKs are not rooted in place.
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I don't understand why the people saying "it's a poor ability" are the same people saying "don't take it away". If it was that bad, why would you care?
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I don't understand why the people saying "it's a poor ability" are the same people saying "don't take it away". If it was that bad, why would you care?
Clearly you find it useful. I think usefulness should:
A) Have a cost
B) Not come in bundles of various types (AI, AT), especially in relatively cheap units.
In a game that could be called "Clumping of Heroes", splash damage weapons are very potent. The barrage is good.
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If you think the barrage needs a muni cost, then i think that free "maphack" vet1 Kubels has been needing a rework since launch. Why is it that OH has to pay munitions and OKW get it for free ?
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A vehicle with great AI like the Ostwind has no AT capability.
A TD like SU-85 has great AT but no AI capability.
A generalist like a PIV has medium AI and medium AT capability.
So why does the SU-76 have great AT but also come with a free AI barrage? There should be a trade-off.
I suspect part of the reason that barrage feels too good now is that we're all so used to the SU-76 being practically an auto-lose option for the player building it. Personally, I have lost tanks, units, and perhaps also entire games by forgetting that SU-76s are no longer a noob trap unit. In past game versions, I would see 3 SU-76s approaching and then just laugh manically and effortlessly kill them all with one P4.
Now that they can take on Tigers and Panthers, it's weird, but I think it helps to remember that an SU-76 horde is a major investment. Four of them cost 300 fuel - that's even more than a Tiger or an Elefant, while also being profoundly more difficult to micro than one super heavy unit.
Everyone expects a Tiger to be difficult to deal with, so why can't we have the same expectations for an SU-76 horde?
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dunno, COH 1 the half track upgrade didn't let the rockets fall in a perfect line, yet precision strike was cheese right? Sorry but the 76 barrage does not need a cost for what it does. It's a good unit, not an OP unit, and that's overdue.
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Why do people keep using the underperformance of the SU-76 in ages past as a justification for it's current performance?
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Literally no one is saying that. If you're referring to one of my earlier posts, I'm suggesting that it my misleadingly appear to overperform now because it so severely under performed previously, though in fact it is perfectly fine now. Not "it was bad before, so it must be über OP now."
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