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ML20, ends of OKW

22 Jul 2015, 16:51 PM
#21
avatar of CasTroy

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Pory do you mean your todays game on Trois Points where the opposite double soviet team got two ML20´s sniping you at the cemetery?
aaa
22 Jul 2015, 16:53 PM
#22
avatar of aaa

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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 16:42 PMl4hti
Just boomrush his ML20 with Luchs, remember to sweep.. L2p


ML20 its very inaccurate. It only soft counters OKW main style of noobs - when they make 2 leigs and sit there near schwerHQ.
Katy hard counters that but you cant make it fast enough.
Against infantry on the map it does 0 damage cuz it has like a low chance of hit it..
22 Jul 2015, 16:56 PM
#23
avatar of Thunderhun

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High damage, can be protected easly (against OKW), many shells/barrage.
22 Jul 2015, 16:57 PM
#24
avatar of Porygon

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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 16:51 PMCasTroy
Pory do you mean your todays game on Trois Points where the opposite double soviet team got two ML20´s sniping you at the cemetery?


It doesn't matter which game it was.
22 Jul 2015, 16:58 PM
#25
avatar of Corsin

Posts: 600

Sadly this is one of those things they cant really fix without messing something else up.

But is another prime example of OKW poor faction design and again how they are at the bottom of the pile with yet another massive disadvantage over all other factions.
22 Jul 2015, 17:02 PM
#26
avatar of Midconflict

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I love arty, and just to point it out lefy can now do the same things to allies bases to. I think the best option is to make it so Off-map ability and the On map artillery can't be used in bases sectors.

I still don't like the fact that arty emplacement can just be two click out by axis. And like it has been pointed out OKW should be punished for placing there buildings to forward, but shouldn't be punish in the bases sector.
22 Jul 2015, 17:06 PM
#27
avatar of CasTroy

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Biggest problem I think is the range of all Arty in general especially on 1vs1/2vs2 maps which are not all big enough.
22 Jul 2015, 17:15 PM
#28
avatar of Corsin

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I love arty, and just to point it out lefy can now do the same things to allies bases to. I think the best option is to make it so Off-map ability and the On map artillery can't be used in bases sectors.

I still don't like the fact that arty emplacement can just be two click out by axis. And like it has been pointed out OKW should be punished for placing there buildings to forward, but shouldn't be punish in the bases sector.


The difference is BOTH allied factions have a call-in or unit counter to the Lefe.

USF:
Major recon + off map artillery (on multiple commanders, time on target ect)
Priest

Soviet:
IL2 bombs
Their own Artillery
B4

Oshteer
Light arty barrage
Stukka bomb

The problem is the OKW dont have any off-maps to reliably deal with it, Even the scavenge doctrine's artillery covers a wide area and doesn't hit exactly where you want it to, making it poor for sniping a single unit it its area of effect. and 180 ammo is a lot for a good chance that it will miss or at least fail to kill the gun.
22 Jul 2015, 20:02 PM
#29
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 15:36 PMKatitof
You mean placing trucks forward in the field actually is risky now?
AH MAW GAWD!


On 90% of 1v1 and 2v2 maps you could build all your trucks in your own base and still be perfectly within range of the enemies artillery.

Replace the air assault ability in Luftwaffe Ground Troops with a Stuka Bombing Strike. Replace the heavy fortifications ability with a recon pass.
22 Jul 2015, 20:21 PM
#30
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 15:36 PMKatitof
You mean placing trucks forward in the field actually is risky now?
AH MAW GAWD!


Cuz it's not like it can shoot your base too :facepalm:
22 Jul 2015, 20:36 PM
#31
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 16:42 PMl4hti
Just boomrush his ML20 with Luchs, remember to sweep.. L2p
Totally useless. Countered by a 30 mun mine on a faction that floats ammo. And you loose a Luchs. Good luck defusing mines in the entrance of the enemies base or even getting the sturmpio squad there.
22 Jul 2015, 20:37 PM
#32
avatar of Porygon

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On 90% of 1v1 and 2v2 maps you could build all your trucks in your own base and still be perfectly within range of the enemies artillery.

Replace the air assault ability in Luftwaffe Ground Troops with a Stuka Me-262 Bombing Strike. Replace the heavy fortifications ability with a recon pass.


We have enough Stuka in 1945.
22 Jul 2015, 20:40 PM
#33
avatar of siuking666

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Well, unfortunatly, okw doesn't have any better options against base arty. The scavenge arty is the only other one that works in base sectors, but you need Los for it anyways, plus it's quite expensive.

Stuka doesn't kill the gun so it only delays death by a few seconds.

I guess we can always wait for Goliath commander :creeper:


No. Stuka means you are speeding up your own death by giving him a free volley.
22 Jul 2015, 20:42 PM
#34
avatar of siuking666

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From the game i played and those i watched, OKW players are used to place their base (flak) aggressively to deny territory and win easily.

Maybe its time to be a bit more cautious?

Sure there is ml-20, but also at-gun howitzer mode, SU-76 or others.

Thanks.


It is already so easy to just self-spot SU85 / ZiS attack ground / KV8 rush and kill Flak HQ in seconds last patch. l2p if you got a problem with flak HQ.

We are talking about a 600 mp arty that can cover the entire 2v2 map, from base to base
22 Jul 2015, 20:48 PM
#35
avatar of voltardark

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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 15:52 PMPorygon


Putting the flak in your base doesn't mean you can stop the ML20 bombing it. lel


This thing is not stuka dive bombing, many time all the 6 shot missed the intended target...

And it's only 2 more shots.. don't exagerate, we live with cas and walking stukas since the beginning... we know what it is to be obliterated... come try the allies and see.
22 Jul 2015, 20:49 PM
#36
avatar of Thunderhun

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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 20:21 PMGiaA


Cuz it's not like it can shoot your base too :facepalm:


What would you expect from him?
22 Jul 2015, 20:53 PM
#37
avatar of siuking666

Posts: 707

jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 20:21 PMGiaA


Cuz it's not like it can shoot your base too :facepalm:


You actually read what he writes?
22 Jul 2015, 21:16 PM
#38
avatar of Porygon

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This thing is not stuka dive bombing, many time all the 6 shot missed the intended target...

And it's only 2 more shots.. don't exagerate, we live with cas and walking stukas since the beginning... we know what it is to be obliterated... come try the allies and see.


Talking like CAS killed your base.
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