A Molotov problem or...?

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:04 PMBob Loblaw

Mines, Oorah to do the flanks the faction needs to do as Axis sits behind OP42s and LMGs, Mollies, Trip flares, flame throwers, DPs, .50 Kraut mower.

You need to get these things to keep your infantry in the game.

Also demo charges. There is never an excuse to float muni.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 16:48 PMThe amazing Chandler

I think Molotovs and Grenades is to much. I like the idea with the Vet 1 Molos but instead of granades tech i would say ppsh tech (but with higher cost). Leave the flares to combat engineers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:08 PMAlexzandvar

Think about this in comparison to the other factions. You HAVE to use smoke as USF, you need to upgrade all your basic infantry with weapons as USF, ect.

For OKW it's pretty self explanatory, you have high costing munition upgrades and reduced income.

Ostheer is probably the most MP intensive faction, you need Muni for medics, upgrade all your basic inf, expensive mines, ect.

Soviet's just don't have as much upgrades, most of the stuff you high lighted are abilities like the demo, molotovs, oorah, and mines.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 10:37 AMKatitof

Wasn't flamecrit chance applied just for flamers?

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:31 PMCruzz

All flame weapons worked off the same 5% / 10% chance defined in infantry unit model stats. So every single ability that had flame damage got nerfed in the patch. None of the offmaps or grenades got their aoes improved like the "proper" flamethrower weapons so it was just a straight up nerf, larger nerf for them.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:31 PMCruzz

All flame weapons worked off the same 5% / 10% chance defined in infantry unit model stats. So every single ability that had flame damage got nerfed in the patch. None of the offmaps or grenades got their aoes improved like the "proper" flamethrower weapons so it was just a straight up nerf, larger nerf for them.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:08 PMAlexzandvar

Soviet's just don't have as much upgrades, most of the stuff you high lighted are abilities like the demo, molotovs, oorah, and mines.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:40 PMBob Loblaw

Which are needed since scripts are cabbage after 7 minutes. Also you can't just ignore the other muni items I mentioned. With all of these items considered there are plenty of muni uses for Soviets.

It would have good distinction from normal grenades:
- Grenades deal lethal damage in the middle of explosion and low damage on far end of AoE
- Molotov would do same damage in all AoE no matter how close model standing to middle of explosion.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:36 PMKatitof

Awesome, more direct nerfs to molos, KV-8, penals and incendiary barrage was exactly what we needed.

/sarcasm

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 21:36 PMKatitof

/sarcasm

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 22:59 PMThe_rEd_bEar

The main issue is that cons are just bad, their vet is awful, damage out put is bad, molotoves are bad an at nades are bad. The unit needs a complete redesign. all you see these day are people spamming guards because they perform better and have less micro requirement than shocks

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 22:25 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance

Molotov is useless if your opponnent is not a big dumb, or if he is concentrate.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 23:28 PMAlexzandvar

Cons:

Unlocks the 'Trip Wire Flares' ability
+40% accuracy, +25% molotov range
-20% weapon cooldown, -23% received accuracy, -25% AT grenade recharge

Grenadiers:
Unlocks the 'Field First Aid' ability
+40% accuracy, +25% Riflegrenade range
-20% cooldown, -25% recharge time for Panzerfaust, -23% received accuracy

The reason why people say con's are bad is because A: People love to blob and refuse to use good unit positioning B: People don't use sand bags, and C: People don't understand what "bad" is.

What con's need is the Molotov to be better, outside of that they are fine. Could the Con PPsh be better to? Sure, I would enjoy it if it increased mid range DPS more.

The AT grenade on con's isn't bad by any margin either, it "fires" a lot faster than the Pfaust, although it could use a little bit more pen.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 23:47 PMBeefSurge

Cons are fine, I'm sorry people. If Cons were equal to equal to Grens the Germans would need call-in madness.

No, you are missing the point the fact that a unit cost 240mp life grens and then purposely designed to perform worst at the game progress is bad design. late game they just bleed man power and waste pop cap. Hence the gaurd spam you see everygame, this has nothing to do with call-ins and doesn't make sense

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 22:25 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance

Molotov is useless if your opponnent is not a big dumb, or if he is concentrate.