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Patch is just underwelming. Again waiting so long, and we only get this. Maybe it would have been better if the alpha notes didnt leak, then why wouldn't have anything to be excited about.
all you filthy hotchkiss lovers need to l2p #TeamPanzerIII
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That collective axis fanboys butthurt
I expected a popcorn thread.
I was not disappointed.
but in the end we will be stuck with a game that isnt challenging. I am a soviet-fanboy and looked so much forward to trying out some new strats, crying alliestears now...
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I'm not a top Ost player but I have good success rate countering T34-85 with a swarm of Pumas (mobile defense doctrine). T1 + T2 + puma/command tank. I also used the doctrine and Puma swarm to counter Easy8 spam with success.
Vs Sov, the mortar was effectively a big problem and it has been addressed with a good nerf, I didn't test it during the alpha but regular Sov players were crying high when they did remove the precision strike and reduce the damage qualifying it as rubbish now.
People crying now that a Tiger can't counter t34-85 are simply retarded and honestly for most of them it doesn't surprise me reading their comments. Because yes a Tiger can counter two 85 and there is no need to cry for that, so now its time to think a bit further and start using other doctrines/strategies than regular tiger ones.
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Permanently BannedSuper Heavy Call in Vehicles (Tiger, Tiger Ace, Elefant, IS2, ISU, Jadgtiger, Sturmtiger, KV2)
We are limiting Heavy Vehicles to a field limit of 1. We want the players to use the Heavy Tanks to support core units or have core units support the Heavy Tanks. We are anticipating this change will encourage players to spend their fuel on other units within their tech tree as it will be in-efficient to continue accumulating fuel. This also severely effects 3v3 and 4v4 games where players can see up to 12 Heavy Vehicles in a match.
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I'm not the one to complain about these changes, not really. I like how CieZ sees the problem and I think he's right about many issues. But claiming T34/85 call-in will not be a problem it's a little to much. And I will relate to your example, which refers to Tiger.
Letting hypocrisy aside, let's not pretend that the ostheer player which will use a Tiger doctrine won't be disadvantaged facing a soviet player using 85s call-ins if we relate to call-ins situation. Observe I used the term "call-ins and for a reason. While the ostheer player can field ONE Tiger at a time, he will have to face not 2 T34/85s but maybe 4, maybe 6. Who knows? Maybe he will be able to preserve and vet his Tiger. Maybe the soviet player will be able to do that too. Result? One Tiger vs 2-6 T34/85s. Do you think it's balanced? I don't, and something tells me I'm right.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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What if I told you that you have tier buildings after T2 and they are hiding units, one of them rips a new one to T34/85?
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While the ostheer player can field ONE Tiger at a time, he will have to face not 2 T34/85s but maybe 4, maybe 6.
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because USF nades are completely horrible and can easily be dodged by pretty much anyone.lol
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If the other dude gets enough fuel and manpower to get six T 34/85s, you are not doing well. On the other hand you can tech up and get two panthers, if you also have decent map control
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If the other dude gets enough fuel and manpower to get six T 34/85s, you are not doing well. On the other hand you can tech up and get two panthers, if you also have decent map control
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In lighter news anybody else excited about more modding options? This will make custom games a hoot.
These tools will allow your peers to create new content for you, in order to make the COH2 world even more enjoyable.
The following types of mods have been added:
Decals
Faceplates
Skins
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It's more relevant in team games than in 1v1s.
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You seem to confuse something. There are no changes to the damage these two units do. The su76 will have 10 more penetration at far and 5 at medium ranges. However axis mediums have for the most part higher armour which makes this difference even more negligible.
As I mentioned the damage remains untouched, which means:
- su76 120 dmg
- stug g 160 dmg
Not only does the stug do 40 damage more it also has a lot more health.
The su76 will need 5 shots to take out a stug, the stug needs 3. I'll leave it to others to make the cost-performance analysis but I'd say the new stug will be rather good.
To clarify the point I tried to do at the start...
su76 vs p4 (ignoring the vet 2 armour increase):
chance to penetrate (at long range for the maximum effect of the higher penetration of the su76): 180/180=1 -> will always penetrate
shots to kill: 640/120=6
getting killed in: 400/160=3 (there is no chance of a p4 shell bouncing on the frontal armour of the su76, regardless of distance (frontal armour is 70))
su76 vs stug g:
chance to penetrate: 1
shots to kill: 5
getting killed in: 3
stug g vs t34-76 (identical for the sherman)
chance to penetrate: 1
shots to kill: 640/160=4
getting killed in: 560/160=4 (please be aware that this ignores the fact that the t34-76 has a 14%/28%/42% chance to deflect, at vet 2 the chances are 32%/44%/55%)
stug vs t34-85 (the interesting one)
chance to penetrate: 170/160=1 (always penetrates)
shots to kill: 800/160=5
getting killed in: 4 (please be aware that this ignores the fact that the t35-85 has a 0%/0%/14% chance to deflect, at vet 2 the chances are 11%/22%/32%)
The stug should perform better accross the board, significantly. The negligible penetration difference at max and medium range has 0 influence and if we were actually to include other higher armoured mediums like the panther and easy 8s, the stug would still come out ahead (the highest medium armour for the allies is the kv1 at 270 armour, the panther has 290, due to the difference in armour and damage for the stug, it would fare better even here).
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I don't need your approval to justify my feelings on whether or not my feedback is valued by Relic.
I've witnessed numerous current, and future changes, that were implemented in direct alignment with feedback that I provided.
I've also been thanked on multiple occasions by different Relic employees for the time I've dedicated to discussing changes, testing changes, and giving feedback.
Of course I'm not the master mind behind every change - nor have I ever claimed to be. Plus, not all of my ideas are good. On top of that there are many other community members that have done the same and more than I have. Whether you choose to acknowledge the fact thatd Relic values community feeback is not my problem.
Rest assured, I'm extremely happy with the responses and relationship I have with Relic.
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when reading threads like this, i remember why i didnt visit coh2.org for months
while the state of the game has improved slowly but steadily its community seems to proportionally devolve into a whiney 6-yo, no offense
"gimme my alpha changes(candy) now. gimme all of them or ill start screaming till i turn purple"
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it does NOT.cant you read
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I don't believe in such fairy tales of getting one Tiger and 2 Panthers in one game by one player. Not in 2v2s which I play the most. I saw soviet players getting at least 4 T34/85 in many games and while using Guard Motor I fielded many times at least 4 85s.
Maybe the 4v4 meta will be different, but 4v4 = zero interest for me.
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