Jackson spam

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 20:31 PMCardboard Tank

Mighty Katitof logic: One Tiger = No combined arms; two T-34/85s in the same call in = Combined arms. Thus the Tiger shouldn´t defeat the T-34/85s.

You should consider becoming a comedian.

Jump back to quoted post31 May 2015, 21:54 PMAlexzandvar

Step 1. Go Fortified Armor or any of hull down doctrine

Step 2. Hull down Panther on important point

Step 3. laugh, because now you out range his Jacksons

I prefer fortified armor tho because you get smoke so you can disable the bags in a sticky situation with cover along with a CPIV which reduces damage making it essentially impossible for you tanks to die.

(Also they still haven't fixed hull down tanks taking almost zero damage from P47's, so lol).

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 02:25 AMJason

I brought up the cost-effectiveness of the jackson in comparison to the majority of Ostheers tanks in this thread, specifically the tiger (which is the most expensive.) At 125 fuel it hard-counters a 230 fuel tank. In comparison a 125 fuel Pz4 doesn't hard-counter an IS2, nor a Stug or a panther. And so they shouldn't as they're all cheaper. Ofcourse this isn't the case with the jackson. At 125 fuel they easily destroy tigers and Pz4's, and are easily replaceable. It's fine to have this role but its price must be raised to reflect its effectiveness.

Someone here mentioned the jackson costs slightly more than a tiger (because of the tech)? That would be true if the USF didn't have such a huge early game advantage against Ostheer. Map control = more resources.

I will await your reply.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 14:28 PMKatitof

Actually, time to kill jackson by PaK40 is ~8-9 seconds as you won't have to reload the first shot obviously.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 14:54 PMJHeartless

Then the same reduction would apply to the Jackson.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 15:05 PMKatitof

Sure, but we can include the 66% chance to pen, which will increase the TTK on tiger even more.

Jackson needs 6 penetrating shots, with 66% pen chance it can be rounded to 9 shots total, which is 48 seconds after subtracting first shot.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 15:23 PMJHeartless

Right which is why I said assuming every shots a Penetration. Either way point still remains. Hard counter Jackson is not.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 15:49 PMQueenRatchet123

if Jackson isn't a tiger hardcounter? then I don't know what is...

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 16:55 PMBrick Top

Your arguing over semantics. You could aruge the Jackson is more than a soft counter due to its manoverability vs slow Tiger.

And you could argue pak is only a soft counter because its static and cannot chase.

Hence, not worth arguing over They are all counters, so greater or lesser extents.


Whats important in this thread, is that if your playing Werh, you really should be looking to Paks for your mainstay AT (esspecially so in 1v1), you can augment with tigers, or Ostwinds or P4s, or whatever as you see fit.. but paks better be your main AT.

Spotting scopes parked next to paks is so good.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 21:22 PMOmega_Warrior

The allies currently don't actually have full heavy counters. The only ones are the pak 40, elephant, and jagdtiger.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jun 2015, 22:23 PMThunderhun

ISU-152, P-47, IS-2, Marked Target, M36, Shocks.