1941 Factions

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 13:34 PMnee

Just admit that you're really just trying to do a 1941 mod incorporating your own ideas.

The only thing in 1941 that had 88mm firepower was an anti-aircraft emplacement.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 14:07 PMnewvan

Not so rare, it was about 508 KV and 967 T-34 build before war (Panzer 38T - 1,414 tanks). In first half year of 1941, with cancelling production of T-26 and BT series, was produced about 393 KV tanks and 1110 Т-34.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 14:28 PMDakkaIsMagic

Some people just don't want to admit that Germany didn't have the best tanks during all phases of the war.


And the fact that HEAT rounds weren't everywhere during the war nor reliable, as with Katiof's point.

Along with KV-1/2s holding down entire german armored columns for days when every day mattered.

But of course, someone is going to replay to this that it didn't matter, so whatever.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 14:07 PMnewvan

Not so rare, it was about 508 KV and 967 T-34 build before war (Panzer 38T - 1,414 tanks). In first half year of 1941, with cancelling production of T-26 and BT series, was produced about 393 KV tanks and 1110 Т-34.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 14:50 PMcoh2player

Production is a different issue. Most of the field forces were equipped with light tanks during the summer-fall. Only the top crust had the newer models. The mech. corps that had the most of them- Southwestern Front- were quickly beaten in the border battles.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 15:37 PMcoh2player

If translated in-game, the T-34/KV-1 could be seen as the Soviet's "Tigers".

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 15:08 PMnewvan

Its double standards.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 15:46 PMnewvan

But in same time, of course, Panzer 38T and PzKpfw III are non doctrinal core tanks - all seems legit.

FaustCostBulletin - you also cant use shocks, technically they are ShISBr, and it was formed in 1943. For light vehicle it could be BA-10 or BA-I.

Yeah, that leaves Guards and Conscripts. Quite the pickle really, the entire Soviet faction needs to be torn apart for a true 1941 faction.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 16:41 PMnewvan

-snip-

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 16:49 PMFaustCostBulletin

The ZiS-3 actually fits the timeline so the M-42 can remain doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 16:55 PMnewvan

Both of them are 1942. I think 53-K will be in good place.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 16:56 PMFaustCostBulletin

Wikipedia mentions 1941 for its production, unless you know something that isn't immediately obvious? Even then it could be an F-22 using the same model.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 17:03 PMnewvan

M-42, at spring 1942 first prototype, full production January 1943.
Zis-3, its tricky, it was prototype gun, production was cancelled and resumed in December 1941.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 17:04 PMFaustCostBulletin

M-42 could just be renamed 53-K I suppose.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 15:46 PMnewvan

But in same time, of course, Panzer 38T and PzKpfw III are non doctrinal core tanks - all seems legit.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2015, 17:06 PMnewvan

Yes, they are almost same, only visual difference is the shorter barrel of 53-K.
Also to make Zis-2 AT gun, you just need cut off muzzle breaker and make the barrel longer, from this perspective no one will tell the difference between 57mm and 76mm.