Ostheer, the never ending struggle

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 20:36 PMJHeartless

I like when people on one hand say its impossible to counter an IS2 with Dual Pak guns because they are fragile but thought the Pre Buff Jackson was just fine to deal with King Tigers....

When the Pak...has...better pen, same range...better DPS....is cheaper....

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 18:06 PMausterlitz

No,scenario works in ur mind where u believe flame arty,katyusha ,elite infantry can't dislodge ur pak wall which will take potshots on unsupported is-2 all day.In ur dreams.Without elfant ,ur basically fucked lategame vs soviet..ost has no chance.Tiger will lose 10 out of 10 times.A is-2 supported by zis always wins vs tiger supported by pak.
Then panther is inaccesible in 1 vs 1.Moreover it can't kill is-2 unless its reckless,only deter it from becoming too adventurous.An is-2 backed by zis ,panther can't do anything.

Nothing else will work.pz 4-u get 6 pz 4s,and they will still lsoe because not a single shot will penetrate.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 18:22 PMausterlitz

Bullshit rhetoric.Zis,cons and mines are enough to lol at ur ostwind,now guards lol.
Spacing..first go back and check how big the area of the flame is.Katyusha too has large AOE.U just talk random bullshit.
See soviet casts,very few even bother teching..they just stay with zis and cons.They know nothing ost has that can counter..no artillery..locked out behind T4.Then outcomes 2 is-2 in quick succession..gg.
Ofcourse u stopped building shocks,they were not Op enough for u..now u switched to PTRS bullshit.Well u have relic's blessing....keep rolling.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 21:18 PMAlexzandvar

Wow I didn't know Pak guns had tracks that allowed them to move quickly at a moments notice, as well as a crew protected from small arms fire. And since when did the Pak get a turret? That must have been recent.

Crew weapons =/= tanks. You would have had a case if you mentioned the USF AT gun.

The IS2 isn't impossible to counter, but it's a huge pain in the ass and it sucks that when you buy a Tiger your paying the same price as an IS2 for lower armor and worse mobility.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 23:12 PMLemonJuice

heres a tip:

have all your AT guns bound to 1 control group. i dont normally use control groups, but for select cases (at guns and snipers) i do. keep your at gun group out of sight, behind your lines. when you see enemy armor, attack move to YOUR front line, instead of the enemies. the paks will automatically rotate to engage enemy armor, automatically engage at longest possible distance, and their reaction time is much faster than if you had manually set up the paks and then manually reposition them since theyre only setting up, theyre not tearing down and then setting back up again. this is how you should use AT guns for every faction.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2015, 23:12 PMLemonJuice

heres a tip:

have all your AT guns bound to 1 control group. i dont normally use control groups, but for select cases (at guns and snipers) i do. keep your at gun group out of sight, behind your lines. when you see enemy armor, attack move to YOUR front line, instead of the enemies. the paks will automatically rotate to engage enemy armor, automatically engage at longest possible distance, and their reaction time is much faster than if you had manually set up the paks and then manually reposition them since theyre only setting up, theyre not tearing down and then setting back up again. this is how you should use AT guns for every faction.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 07:08 AMBrick Top

Nathan, get a grip. They made some good positive changes to Ost, without over buffing anything which they have often been known for in the past. Give them a break.

People will moan at literally anything they do.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 07:24 AMJohnnyB

Austerlitz, is tiring to explain people why Ostheer is currently bullshit. Let them enjoy a while the OPness of their beloved faction. There are 3 things that are currently working against IS2, end of story. And they are: Elefant, Tiger Ace and PAK 43. If you don't own Elite Troops, make it 2. If your opponent isn't a total idiot, remove PAK 43 too. So that left you with one reliable option, the Elefant, which meas you are right. Tiger is simply retarded currently. Yes, it will lose 10 times of 10. Yes, you will not ever face a sinle IS2 with your PAK and Tiger. To put it simply, ZIS+IS2 > PAK+Tiger.
GreenDevil mentioned CAS. CAS is okay but it only works on small maps.
Yes, currently playing with Ostheer is the most difficult thing you won't get to much wins.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 08:29 AMNathanm465

Are you even listening to yourself? They made minor changes after 6 months, that is half of a freaking year. You praise them for doing almost nothing to the balance in 6 months, praise them for what? They sell a product, updating it once every 6 months with minor changes ain't going to cut it. They stress the little player base that hey have as it is, this will be their downfall if they keep up this lazy development.

To be honest, I can hardly wait for it to fall apart for them, they deserve it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 08:32 AMNathanm465

This

Yet people will say that the buff to the sniper and the scout car will result in you having far better chances as Ost, sure the scout car will destroy that IS2, sure the scout car and snipers will wipe rifle squads just like they can melt away grenns from all ranges.

Fables my friends, fables

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 10:50 AMBrick Top

What I did say, is be thankful they didnt overbuff something.. like scout car to the levels of a Panzer Elite Armoured Car for example.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 11:00 AMJohnnyB

And that would be wrong because....

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 11:10 AMKatitof

I don't know.
Imagine M20 killing a model every 5 seconds from max range.
You see the picture yet?