WHAT ABOUT SU85 ??

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 05:13 AMAlexzandvar

What is supporting your Jadgtiger? An allied player without armor support is a allied player who will lose a game.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 11:17 AMMr. Someguy

What's with all the suggestions to remove focus sight? I thought this thread was about buffing the SU-85, not nerfing it into the ground.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2015, 19:17 PMdaspoulos

Horrible idea, a good example is the jagdtiger costing more than a king in game when it wasnt the case. Or even panthers, which only costed 10% more to produce than a panzer in terms of price yet in game they are significantly more expensive.

Simply put this kind of logic can't just simply be put on one unit arbitrarily, but not others. The su85 performs well for its cost which is actually quite cheap. You all just feel underwhelmed because unlike the germans the soviets don't have some more expensive better tank to use. So they use the cheaper tanks. Its like transitioning from panzer 4s to panthers. But soviets stay on panzer4s.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2015, 19:17 PMdaspoulos

Whats the key difference? Su85s are better vs armor than panzer4s, and still pose a threat to heavy vehicles. Considering 125 fuel what do you want?

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 11:17 AMMr. Someguy

What's with all the suggestions to remove focus sight? I thought this thread was about buffing the SU-85, not nerfing it into the ground

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 05:13 AMAlexzandvar

What is supporting your Jadgtiger? An allied player without armor support is a allied player who will lose a game.

EDIT: You have never even used it lol, why am I saying this.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 13:01 PMOZtheWiZARD

I fought against it countless number of times.
There is nothing OKW player can do to stop me from getting behind Jadgtiger. Single tank behind it and it's a dead Jadgtiger. I can see however this unit working in 3v3 and above. To some extend 2v2.

But you know what? Please, prove me wrong, provide me one competent use of Jagdtiger in 1v1. Show me how to do it.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 12:41 PMflyingtiger

What's the use of the "Tracking" ability then?

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 22:25 PMMr. Someguy

After the nerf... None. I think it makes units appear on the minimap to about 50 meters, but it's nothing like what it used to do.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 12:02 PMflyingtiger

You never use "Tracking"? It not only makes infantry appear on the minimap, but also increases the Su-85's sight range for about 50%. That's a lot.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 12:12 PMKatitof

It doesn't for at least half a year.
Cost was doubled and effectiveness was more then halved.
Obviously not a word about it in the patch notes.
Its currently most underpowered AT gun/TD vet ability in game. Its also most expensive one.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2015, 01:48 AMCieZ

Su85 is literally the worst tank in the game. Unless the Stuart counts as a tank... maybe that's the worst.

Actually, the the Su76 is the worst with the Su85 being a close second. It struggles to ever kill anything heavier than a light vehicle, will never kill a heavy, is less than useless against infantry, has no great utility... like... it's just super bad.

Really needs focus sight removed in exchange for an accuracy increasing ability at Vet 1 and a slight mobility increase. The DPS is fine, I guess. But everything else about it kinda sucks.

Or maybe leave it as is with a slight cost decrease and decrease the amount of pop-cap it takes up slightly, to make fielding 2 more feasible.

Jump back to quoted post16 Apr 2015, 03:15 AMAladdin

SU-85 penetrates quite reliably, even with KT you have to be careful against it, and is a very good tank destroyer FOR ITS PRICE.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2015, 10:35 AMKatitof

Penetrates reliably what?
50% chance for panther.
Little over 50% for tiger.
About 43% for KT.

Coin toss is not reliable.
You want reliable penetration values, check Panther or Jackson.

Its not bad, but against heavies reliable is the last word I would describe it with.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2015, 11:04 AMAladdin

Yes Jackson is more reliable for its penetration, and panther is a different tank, panther is the best medium tank in the game (fair enough considering its price), but it's not a proper tank destroyer like SU85,JP4, or Jackson. But SU85 is a great tank destroyer FOR ITS PRICE.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2015, 11:19 AMKatitof

Umm, panther is tank destroyer for the last 8 years since coh1.
You can argue against that, but you won't get far that way.

SU-85 costs as much as medium generalist tank and its usefulness is as good as going against medium generalist tanks. Jackson costs exactly as much and while its worse against mediums, its incomparably better against anything over P4.
That's why you see T34/85, IS-2 and ISUs instead of it.
You can again argue against that, but that's another dead end for you.

Jump back to quoted post17 Apr 2015, 12:51 PMAladdin

Panther is a tank destroyer, but I mean it's not a proper tank destroyer with 60 range like SU85, JP4, or Jackson, that's a problem Ost has, which they lack such a unit in their base army.

About Jackson, they improved its penetration because of this faction's design which people complained they have problem dealing with the axis heavies, but do soviets really have such a problem!! lol because Jackson's penetration is improved u reckon SU's should be improved as well!!!

lol I love that you keep saying that "it's dead end for u!" and "u can't argue against that!" it's so cute!