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5 Mar 2015, 15:31 PM
#41
avatar of Death's Head

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Pak43 :mvgame:

Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing


Regardless precision shot>>>Counter barrage.
5 Mar 2015, 15:35 PM
#42
avatar of FaustCostBulletin

Posts: 521

Not really. For mortars sure, for LeFH CB rocks.
5 Mar 2015, 15:36 PM
#43
avatar of WingZero

Posts: 1484

Arty is so not the meta right now, exception is B4. I have only seen Stephen build ML-20 and that is about it.
5 Mar 2015, 15:38 PM
#44
avatar of Death's Head

Posts: 440

Not really. For mortars sure, for LeFH CB rocks.


Really. Especially using the ML-20 vs OKW medtruck...it's pretty fucking devastating.
5 Mar 2015, 15:52 PM
#45
avatar of Katitof

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Pak43 :mvgame:

Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing

True, but:
I was thinking of indirect fire weapon as... thats pretty much what the thread is about.
5 Mar 2015, 16:17 PM
#46
avatar of Alexzandvar

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200 dmg vs 80 dmg per shot.

"slightly"

And costing 100 menpower more then what? There is not a single unit in game that costs 500mp.


The LefH costs 500 mp, can't move and does 160 damage if it hits the unit directly so it's like firing an AT gun directly into the air. It's AoE Radius is 7.5, the AoE radius of the 120mm mortar is 6. The 120mm mortar does 100 damage.

So what's better, a unit that literally does only 60 more damage with a much higher chance to miss, while also costing a buttfuck load of MP in a MP starved faction and can't move. Or a unit that costs 100 MP less, can move and reposition at the battle lines flow, and 1 shot any any Ostheer squad in the game reliably.

Alex not knowing how much LeFh goes to show his extent of experience with the thing


Iv used it since the game came out, then it was nerfed, and now I don't waste my time with it because Ostheer ain't exactly kings of the MP float to build it. It also comes in absolute garbage commanders.
5 Mar 2015, 16:21 PM
#47
avatar of Napalm

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Boy if you think the ML20 is great wait until you build a Priest.
5 Mar 2015, 16:26 PM
#48
avatar of Alexzandvar

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Yeah, the Priest is a lot of fun, especially when you can move it close enough to the front that it's scatter is quite good and the creeping line barrage is great on maps like Eddlefucked.
5 Mar 2015, 16:28 PM
#49
avatar of Australian Magic

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indirect fire shoutout from the USF camp!


It's 4v4. It's not a problem to shine in 4v4. If unit is amazing in 4v4 but useless in 1v1 then we have design problem. Priest is amazing in teamgames but in 1v1 is almost useless.
5 Mar 2015, 16:34 PM
#50
avatar of Alexzandvar

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Good in 2's 3's and 4's but useless in ones is common to many units across every faction in the game.

More of an example of retarded faction design really.
5 Mar 2015, 16:37 PM
#51
avatar of JHeartless

Posts: 1637

Preist is useful in 1v1! For giving vet to OKW Panthers :megusta:
5 Mar 2015, 16:57 PM
#52
avatar of Katitof

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The LefH costs 500 mp, can't move and does 160 damage if it hits the unit directly so it's like firing an AT gun directly into the air. It's AoE Radius is 7.5, the AoE radius of the 120mm mortar is 6. The 120mm mortar does 100 damage.

I could call you stiupid, but it would be vast understatement.
lefh costs 600
mistake one
deals 200 dmh
mistake two
120mm deals 80 dmg, just as any other mortar, that was changed EONS ago
mistake three

And you're comparing apples to oranges-mistake four.
5 Mar 2015, 16:59 PM
#53
avatar of FaustCostBulletin

Posts: 521

LeFH costs 600 MP and comes in some really good commanders and Ost does not depend on call ins so you give upp less
5 Mar 2015, 17:07 PM
#54
avatar of Alexzandvar

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I could call you stiupid, but it would be vast understatement.
lefh costs 600
mistake one
deals 200 dmh
mistake two
120mm deals 80 dmg, just as any other mortar, that was changed EONS ago
mistake three

And you're comparing apples to oranges-mistake four.


Ah It does cost 600, but it doesn't do 200 damage, and the 120mm mortar does 100.

And no, I'm comparing indirect fire units to indirect fire units. The 120mm can move, retreat, and has far more squad wipe potential due to not having a long cool down after each barrage and facing smaller squad sizes.


le FH 18 10.5cm main gun howitzer_105mm_gun_mp.xml

Potential dps:
33.68421052631579
Penetration:
1000.0/1000.0/1000.0
Scatter angle:
9.25
Scatter distance:
18.5
AoE radius:
7.5
AoE far:
5.625
AoE mid:
3.75
AoE near:
1.875

Damage min:
160.0
Damage max:
160.0

The damage you are look at it for when it hits vet 3.


HM_38 120mm Mortar hm_38_120mm_mortar_mp.xml



Name:
HM_38 120mm Mortar
File name:
hm_38_120mm_mortar_mp.xml
Nation:
soviet
Potential dps:
7.677543186180422
Penetration:
35.0/35.0/35.0
Scatter angle:
10.0
Scatter distance:
10.0
AoE radius:
6.0
AoE far:
4.5
AoE mid:
3.0
AoE near:
1.5

Damage
Damage min:
100.0
Damage max:
100.0
5 Mar 2015, 17:08 PM
#55
avatar of Jawohl?

Posts: 97

LeFH costs 600 MP and comes in some really good commanders and Ost does not depend on call ins so you give upp less


in 4v4?

in 1v1 almost all the time you depends on Tiger
5 Mar 2015, 17:16 PM
#56
avatar of FaustCostBulletin

Posts: 521



in 4v4?

in 1v1 almost all the time you depends on Tiger


Well refer to my signature. 4v4 is a lolmode where if both teams are equal, 4 Ost all with German Infantry could still win it.
5 Mar 2015, 17:17 PM
#57
avatar of Alexzandvar

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A team of 4 Ostheer is going to lose in the first 6 minutes of the game if they are facing more than a single USF opponent of equal skill no matter what doctrine you pick.
5 Mar 2015, 17:19 PM
#58
avatar of FaustCostBulletin

Posts: 521

A team of 4 Ostheer is going to lose in the first 6 minutes of the game if they are facing more than a single USF opponent of equal skill no matter what doctrine you pick.


Just because MG42 isn't insta force retreat doesn't mean it's not effective at stalling USF in team games.
5 Mar 2015, 17:22 PM
#59
avatar of Alexzandvar

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Rifles are just going to turn your anus instead out dude, 4 Ostheer is suicide and no amount of skill can change the fact that USF early game is god tier versus Ostheer.
5 Mar 2015, 17:30 PM
#60
avatar of Jawohl?

Posts: 97



Well refer to my signature. 4v4 is a lolmode where if both teams are equal, 4 Ost all with German Infantry could still win it.

didnt saw it dude, sorry

then yeah, isnt too hard to go t4 with Werhmacht in 4v4 or 3v3
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