Damn this balance
27 Feb 2015, 09:45 AM
#141
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27 Feb 2015, 12:40 PM
#142
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ostheer tier 3 is just as shit as the SU.
Really? Last time I checked OH T3 was vastly superior to the Soviet T3.
27 Feb 2015, 12:44 PM
#143
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the potatoes you get to practice throwing grenades at the start of Call of Duty 2 is more effective than soviet t3
27 Feb 2015, 14:01 PM
#144
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Well this thread was about balance? I cannot talk about balance, I'm just barely an average player. I've only recently switched to playing OKW from Russians and I equally suck with both in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4. I've played people who can't get out of their base and I win easy and I've played people who roll me off the map with ease.
Some troops seem OP in the hands of other players and don't perform in mine ... sometimes they do. Sometimes I have great fun playing the game ... even if I lose if it's a good fought match. Sometimes I want to throw the computer across the room as my squads seem to evaporate at hyper speed ... you swear that the game is fixed, cheating what ever ... it's not. I'm doing something wrong and don't see it. C'est la vie.
Some troops seem OP in the hands of other players and don't perform in mine ... sometimes they do. Sometimes I have great fun playing the game ... even if I lose if it's a good fought match. Sometimes I want to throw the computer across the room as my squads seem to evaporate at hyper speed ... you swear that the game is fixed, cheating what ever ... it's not. I'm doing something wrong and don't see it. C'est la vie.
27 Feb 2015, 14:07 PM
#145
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Soviet T3 was designed with Ram ability in mind. Now since ram is gone T3 is lackluster to say it mildly. Single Panther can deal with 3 of them at once.
27 Feb 2015, 17:28 PM
#146
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Soviet T3 was designed with Ram ability in mind. Now since ram is gone T3 is lackluster to say it mildly. Single Panther can deal with 3 of them at once.
what?
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27 Feb 2015, 18:59 PM
#147
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He has a point. T-34/85 at T3 is the way to go.
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27 Feb 2015, 19:03 PM
#148
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Soviet T3 was designed with Ram ability in mind. Now since ram is gone T3 is lackluster to say it mildly. Single Panther can deal with 3 of them at once.
The T34 comes in before the Panther does, and is much better at killing enemy infantry. The T34 is nowhere comparable to the Panther in cost or in unit role.
27 Feb 2015, 19:34 PM
#149
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what?
Back in the old days of coh ram would destroy the engine/gun 100% of the time and the t-34 where only 80 fuel back then. sure the t-34 where shit but a single at gun could destroy any tiger that was rammed. thats why it had no AT vehicle because it didn't need one
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27 Feb 2015, 19:36 PM
#150
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Back in the old days of coh ram would destroy the engine/gun 100% of the time and the t-34 where only 80 fuel back then. sure the t-34 where shit but a single at gun could destroy any tiger that was rammed. thats why it had no AT vehicle because it didn't need one
Not to mention a ram from the back will destroy the main gun too.
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27 Feb 2015, 19:39 PM
#151
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The T34 comes in before the Panther does, and is much better at killing enemy infantry. The T34 is nowhere comparable to the Panther in cost or in unit role.
True but that doesnt change the fact that tier 3 is completely unappealing because of it lack of AT. Soviets really should have have access to tier 3 and 4. and the best way to do so is to reduce the fuel cost of tier 4 by 70 if tier is build and vica versa.
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27 Feb 2015, 19:42 PM
#152
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True but that doesnt change the fact that tier 3 is completely unappealing because of it lack of AT. Soviets really should have have access to tier 3 and 4. and the best way to do so is to reduce the fuel cost of tier 4 by 70 if tier is build and vica versa.
Making Soviet's have the Ostheer teching system isn't going to stop call in meta, it will make it worse.
27 Feb 2015, 19:50 PM
#153
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Making Soviet's have the Ostheer teching system isn't going to stop call in meta, it will make it worse.
Oh it would be a small part of my master plan to utterly destroy the boring callin meta thats currently plaguing coh 2 . i woud tie callins to tier would remove BP4 for ost entirely and would make the ost tech tree somewhat similar to the soviets. buff the stug to become a real TD again and buff the su85 roation. and nerf the 85 and e8's penetration rate. as far as im concerned mediums should have no business dealing with heavies. the task for dealing with heavies should only be for the dedicated TD's
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27 Feb 2015, 19:53 PM
#154
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Really? Last time I checked OH T3 was vastly superior to the Soviet T3.
In what way?
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27 Feb 2015, 20:00 PM
#155
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In what way?
Oh, you know, common sense and general performance way.
T34 is worse against armor and infantry then P4.
T70 is worse against infantry then Ostwind.
M5 is worse against planes and infantry then ostwind.
StuG is rather unique, but soviets would kill for something that can stun vehicles and penetrate them better then T34 while having superior range to other T3 armor in T3.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
27 Feb 2015, 20:01 PM
#156
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Soviet T3 units at least each have a defined roll, Ostheer ones are just shittier versions of the PIV. One with no turret, less health and less armor. And another with less armor and less AI ability and no AT ability.
27 Feb 2015, 20:06 PM
#157
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Oh, you know, common sense and general performance way.
T34 is worse against armor and infantry then P4.
T70 is worse against infantry then Ostwind.
M5 is worse against planes and infantry then ostwind.
StuG is rather unique, but soviets would kill for something that can stun vehicles and penetrate them better then T34 while having superior range to other T3 armor in T3.
The T34 costs less, the T-70 costs less but is useful for more than just AI, the M5 is a fucking half track why are you even comparing a medium tank and a half track, the StuG is rather unique in the sense that is is literally just a shit PIV with less health armor and no turret.
Both Soviet T3 and Ostheer T3 are in a stupid place at the moment, but Soviets win out in that said T3 units actually have defined rolls that they preform well in at cost, instead of Ostheer T3 were you have literally 1 unit that's ever worth getting, but never are going to because the Jackson exists and comes out at exactly the same time.
The reason you see so many Panthers/Tigers is because building a tier for literally 1 unit when said unit is very easy to counter is a waste of fuel and MP, and in a MP starved faction your not exactly in a place to be wasting resources.
27 Feb 2015, 22:42 PM
#158
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I think he's saying: "Stop playing this game. If you play as USF, you're going to lose and the only response you will get is from Axis lovers who say, you don't know how to play."
exactly, thank you.
27 Feb 2015, 22:48 PM
#159
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T-34/85 at T3 and suddenly the whole call-in meta is fixed. Nerf Tiger and other heavies too, and woah, late game suddenly becomes playable without spamming call-ins. Ostheer does it because it can, and Soviets do it because they must. The end result is the same.
And if Jackson bothers you so much, give it its vet 1 pen ability at vet 0, give it 160 damage and give it a +50% damage boost at vet 1. So at least it can do its job of hitting heavies while giving Panzer IV a better chance, whose chances aren't that low to begin with.
And if Jackson bothers you so much, give it its vet 1 pen ability at vet 0, give it 160 damage and give it a +50% damage boost at vet 1. So at least it can do its job of hitting heavies while giving Panzer IV a better chance, whose chances aren't that low to begin with.
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27 Feb 2015, 23:03 PM
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I think he's saying: "Stop playing this game. If you play as USF, you're going to lose and the only response you will get is from Axis lovers who say, you don't know how to play."
The level of antagonism here is hilarious. Grow up kiddos.
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