OKW, the root of most balance issues?

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 17:21 PMJHeartless

Ugh the handicapped economy thing again. Hasnt this been shown time and again as really no handicap or do we need to go over that again.

And yes it will change things.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 18:36 PMNinjaWJ

overpowered things will be nerfed. It is silly to have an overpowered unit due to some handicap or whatnot (plus Obers aren't even affected by the resource penalty).

THis was the exact logic applied to the jagdtiger. It was OP and very frustrating for players o deal with because the unit shot through all sorts of shot blockers. In this case, the Jagdtiger is affected by the resource penalties, but this doesn't mean that its overpowered nature stayed.


The goal of the game developers, i am certain, is to have a fun and balanced game. THis applies to all units, and all factions.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 18:56 PMgokkel

Don't you think Relic normally would have already nerfed this unit to the ground seeing how many complaints there are about this unit since release of WFA?

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 18:56 PMgokkel

Obersoldaten are not affected by the resource penalty, of course they are not, they are just the consequence for the resource penalty. Relic made an extremely powerful infantry unit that OKW can still afford to buy with their handicapped munition and fuel income to compensate for everything OKW lacks in their other units to fight infantry. This may be absurd but this is what we have right now. Don't you think Relic normally would have already nerfed this unit to the ground seeing how many complaints there are about this unit since release of WFA?

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 19:25 PMKatitof

You mean... like ISU or JT for example?

Its op, the question is not 'if' but 'when'.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 17:21 PMJHeartless

They are far too potent. They need to be adjusted. Even if they increase other units DPS if they for example turn out to break OKW. I even like the Kappatch that simply reduced the LMG and buffed the Kar98 resulting in the same squad DPS. This made them less rapid fire sniper rifles.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 19:44 PMJaigen

You continually say they are too potent but do not say why. or at least nothing that warrants a nerf. in your previous post you mentioned that they can take hmgs from the front. EVERY single lmg unit can take a lmg from the front even that dopey dp.

and killing light vehicles is nothing new as once again every lmg is good at it . and countering infantry is their speciality

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 20:44 PMJHeartless

You know I started to pull up the stats. But nah. You can compare them to Airborne yourself. By your logic Airborne must be UP o.O since Obers are obviously fine and barely cost more...

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 21:33 PMJaigen

You dont have 2 as i really dont give a shit to unit comparison in general.

i look how an unit performs generally in the faction. considering the faction has the worst baseline AI fuel and ammo generation it needs the obers.

The obers would be very op in the ostheer. but the ostheer is not the okw and the okw is not the usf and so forth.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 23:20 PMMr. Someguy

gokkel has a point though, people will just continue to complain about OKW until they can no longer fight. People complained about Ostheer since release and now look where they are, they are ridiculously disadvantaged against USF.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 23:59 PMNinjaWJ

Basically Jaigen doesn't listen to anyone or logic. Jaigen lives in own world

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2014, 23:20 PMMr. Someguy

gokkel has a point though, people will just continue to complain about OKW until they can no longer fight. People complained about Ostheer since release and now look where they are, they are ridiculously disadvantaged against USF.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2014, 01:24 AMNuclear Arbitor

making EVERYONE satisfied would require a tiny player base. the trick is to make most people satisfied and address obvious issues. people complain about every faction right now but that doesn't mean it's balanced, it just means that there is something about each faction that someone doesn't like.

i could go on but i don't think i could even attempt to answer how to make things mostly balanced without writing pages.

Jump back to quoted post14 Dec 2014, 01:54 AMJHeartless

And people complained about USF and they got nerfed. And the things they nerfed were OP. And there are still nerfs they need. OP units need to be balanced. OP factions need to be balanced. Its a process as you know.

Safe for the broken suppression fire ability and the range of the flack track not much got changed.

Having enough AT and AI in Infantry alone to beat an entire faction isnt balance. Its COH1 Ranger Blobs all over again. It really needs to be fixed. Otherwise what is OKWs disadvantage if they can do with manpower what takes other factions Fuel to do?

i suspect you have a bad memory as rangers did shit against tanks in coh 1 as bazooka's really struggled penetration the front of even medium armor let alone heavies it was primarily an AI unit that came equipped with elite armor. that got further buffed with veterancy


I LOVED OKW when they first came out. They were very challenging to play and rewarding. At the time Luchs was the only stinker and Panther wasnt a god but like the Jackson took skill to use properly. Then they buffed Muni and Made the Panther an A Move tank and it lost its appeal to me. Its a shame really.

initially the okw where much more powerful then they are now as flacktracks where incredibly powerful back then. also obeers lmg's did 25% more dps

Now that with Equal map control and conversion with a buffed Panther and Flak Truck they combined with Obers/Shrek blobs its just too much. Without Obers being Gods of all Long range DPS Shrek blobs will be more vulnerable. Or conversly if they removed Shreks teeth then Obers would be vulnerable. But as it stands OKW has too much in the Manpower/Muni part going for it.

Too much for you perhaps. Not that this inst a potent combination but its far from unbeatable.
the issue is usually the allied player not using any combined arms or support weapons. since you are complaining about it constantly i would really love to a replay