What do you think of an SU-85 buff?

Jump back to quoted post25 Oct 2014, 22:10 PMMortar

Instead of changing the SU-85, I would suggest replacing it with something on par with the Panther that also has a turret.

Like say for instance, the IS1.

Jump back to quoted post25 Oct 2014, 23:27 PMAustralian Magic

SU-85 is almost fiiiineeeee!
It needs small front armor buff maybe, That's all.
SU-85 can deal with Pz IV, Panther, Tiger, KT... Everything except Jadgpanzer and Jadgtiger.
I would never (almost) take T34/76 over SU-85. Don't let enemy to flank and you will destroy everything.
I had even few 2v2 when my 1 SU-85 made over 20k dmg.
1 SU-85 is powerful, but 2 are deadly. Just today, Tiger showed up from woods and surprised my 2 SU-85. Result? SUs stayed alive, Tiger was burning.
SU-85 just needs good micro. Put mines in crucial spots to avoid flanking but if mines fail, use at nade or Guards to slow it down and finish with SU. Just use it range and rememeber, it's defensive/chase-down unit. You should wait for enemy to make a misteake or as chase-down unit, go after one-hit left vehicle, focus sight, shoot, kill, fall back. It's not line-breaker. It's not made for pushing.
Even IS2 is not that strong against AT as SU85 (at least Ive never had 15-20k AT dmg with single IS2). I mean If I had to face KT I would always choose 2x SU-85 over 1 IS2.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 01:11 AMNuclear Arbitor

guys... you're not understanding how armour works. a front armour of 180 (or less) means the shrek is always going to pen. 181 would be a tiny, tiny chance to bounce.

pen/armour=chance

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 01:46 AMDoomgunner

180 is shrek's far range penetration, its mid/long range pen is 170/160 so a 180 front armor would prevent some mid/long range penetration but still allow shrek to pen it 100% at close range, hence why I added "max range" in my post.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 00:05 AMbraciszek

Would be cool, but that would make T4 the absolute choice, so making it available after T3 + T4 is built would be great since it would be a huge fuel investment and help Soviet call in meta with a viable unit that is capable of challenging Axis medium-heavies.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 05:16 AMMortar

Exactly. Making Russian T4 viable will loosen up the ability to use other commanders. There are a lot of interesting Russian commanders you simply can't risk using due the fact there is no real non doctrinal tank to counter Axis Panther/Tiger/KT/Jagd. This would give the russians that non-doctrinal tank.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 05:40 AMNinjaWJ

Not sure if Soviets would ever get a good nondoctrinal tank. Some fanboys would probably kill themselves if god forbid, the SOviets get the T34/85 as a nondoc unit

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 10:21 AMb1303696

Rework rus faction!! switch su 85 with t 34/85!!!

Comanders get su 85 instead of t 34/85!!!

Markt target only works for at Guns and su 85.

so on and on. switch penals to main base building!!!

nerf shoks!!!! (due to the penal switch this would be possibel)

cons have general upgrade for 2 ppsh and comanders give them aditional 2!!!

maxims with 5 man teams

Nerf guards pin more !!!!!

Sniper teams witch lose one man have to replace him for half of the price for a new sniper team.

Mutch more balance for all

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 10:28 AMGluhoman

U want to kill rus faction? Guards are bullshit now, they are very weak. T3485 is okay, don't need to replayce. Maybe upgrade for t3476. Market target only for at and su? Wat, are u serious? Nerf shocks? No way, they are fine.

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 10:21 AMb1303696

Rework rus faction!! switch su 85 with t 34/85!!!

Comanders get su 85 instead of t 34/85!!!

Markt target only works for at Guns and su 85.

so on and on. switch penals to main base building!!!

nerf shoks!!!! (due to the penal switch this would be possibel)

cons have general upgrade for 2 ppsh and comanders give them aditional 2!!!

maxims with 5 man teams

Nerf guards pin more !!!!!

Sniper teams witch lose one man have to replace him for half of the price for a new sniper team.

Mutch more balance for all

also i can balance us and okw!1!!

Jump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 10:34 AMb1303696

You are eather low or a rus fanboy. anyway the main reason why you sream is becourse you know how strong shoks are.

my howl rework would alow al rus players to have a balanced army without a doctrine!!!!