I think the values on some of the tanks for the rear is too high. I can understand some needs, so that light tanks can't slowly bash out the health of unsupported larger ones. I've noticed a large issue with snares though. Specifically the allied ones, considering more frequently facing heavy rear armor objects, as well as having lower penetration values for whatever snare.
So the question is, should rear armor values be high enough to block anti-tank weapons on ANY mobile coh2 object?
High rear armor values
18 Oct 2014, 22:14 PM
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29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
18 Oct 2014, 22:49 PM
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Yeah lower rear armor is something i'd like. If you can't support your tank, OR just reverse gear and rotate your ass away from the T-70 (or stuart, or panzer 2, or upgun-scoutcar?) long enough to get those 2-3 shots in to kill it, you deserve to die.
Similarly, it'd be nicer for the poor Amis if sneaking some zooks around the side actually mattered. They still just bounce off a lot of the time. And yes, snare abilities bouncing off of the ass of the tank are infuriating.
Similarly, it'd be nicer for the poor Amis if sneaking some zooks around the side actually mattered. They still just bounce off a lot of the time. And yes, snare abilities bouncing off of the ass of the tank are infuriating.
18 Oct 2014, 22:51 PM
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tbh, tanks had good rear armours, for example Tigers was 80 while front 102, same on others
18 Oct 2014, 22:57 PM
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tbh, tanks had good rear armours, for example Tigers was 80 while front 102, same on others
Yeah I pretty much think the armor values of the tanks are perfectly fine at the moment.
The long range super heavy tanks all have relatively low rear armor value of 150 (even the jagdtiger whose front armor is 525). And the short range heavy tanks need some rear armor because they often have to get into the thick of battle.
The only thing that needs fixing when it comes to armor is the jackson penetration. Currently it just bounces too often against the KT from the front, and flanking that thing is made impossible due to the always-present SchrekVolks and the low health of the jackson.
18 Oct 2014, 23:20 PM
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I still find it annoying that the game tips think side armor exists...
Which would be nice if they existed.
Which would be nice if they existed.
19 Oct 2014, 00:18 AM
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When Tiger I can't penetrate ISU ass at blank point range
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
19 Oct 2014, 01:43 AM
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i wish there was side armor. I hate getting to the side of a tank and thinking "alright im going to get some ok shots" but really its no different from hitting it straight on.
19 Oct 2014, 02:45 AM
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There definitely should be side armour values. I know it would force Relic to add more algorithms and complicate things, but it's one of the features I most want to see added.
19 Oct 2014, 03:19 AM
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There should just be some reward for surrounding a heavy tank, or a decent chance of punishment for driving a heavy right past a snare squad. Instead light equipment really just gets to skedaddle, and plays no role once late game stuff (axis and soviet at least) comes out.
Medium armor is fine, since snares and light armor (from behind) regularly pen it.
19 Oct 2014, 04:14 AM
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When Tiger I can't penetrate ISU ass at blank point range
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
How can you be this cool?
19 Oct 2014, 05:34 AM
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the biggest issue with adding side armour is that all of the models would have to be edited, which would be a fair bit of artist time. the other big, but less significant matter would be adding armour tables for the side armour. i don't know if the engine would support using a single box and selecting faces (that would easily give 6 sides) and i kind of doubt it but there are still ways to add side armour. either way, it isn't going to make a significant difference to performance, just time required to make it work.
19 Oct 2014, 06:41 AM
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Permanently BannedWhen Tiger I can't penetrate ISU ass at blank point range
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
im pretty sure this never happens
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
19 Oct 2014, 07:20 AM
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When Tiger I can't penetrate ISU ass at blank point range
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
You know that is mathematically impossible, right?
Tiger even at 50 range got still more then 155 penetration.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
19 Oct 2014, 07:21 AM
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When Tiger I can't penetrate ISU ass at blank point range
I was like, FUCK THIS GAME
ISU Rear armor 155, Tiger far pen 180.
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
19 Oct 2014, 07:26 AM
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haha caught in lie
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
19 Oct 2014, 08:03 AM
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I won't say lie just yet, could be a bug or a fluke. After all, I've watched a Kubelwagen bounce an AT Grenade.
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19 Oct 2014, 08:41 AM
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There definitely should be side armour values. I know it would force Relic to add more algorithms and complicate things, but it's one of the features I most want to see added.
Definitely this! Vehicles need to have 3 armor types: front, side and rear.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
19 Oct 2014, 08:57 AM
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You know that is mathematically impossible, right?
Tiger even at 50 range got still more then 155 penetration.
I dunno the maths data, but it happens to me.
19 Oct 2014, 09:29 AM
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I dunno the maths data, but it happens to me.
So are you telling us the game is capable of doing things outside of it's programming? The values indicate 100% penetration at all ranges.
29 Jul 2014, 12:16 PM by siuking666:
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
19 Oct 2014, 13:41 PM
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So are you telling us the game is capable of doing things outside of it's programming? The values indicate 100% penetration at all ranges.I would not dismiss the possibility that there are bugs in the code. I too have seen Kubels bounce AT riflenades on rare occasions. There are also cases where a t34 triggers a Teller and continues on, undamaged. This also should never ever happen according to the game's programming. Another possibility is that the shot didn't in fact bounce but miss, hit the ground next to the ISU or something and Porygon is just blind with axis fanboy rage
. /devilsadvocate
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