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T-34/76 underperformig when in comparison to M4 sherman

13 Sep 2014, 15:43 PM
#1
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Ok, so lets look at the t-34/76 and M4 sherman, they both cost almost the same, 100 vs 110.

However, for some strange reason, the sherman is better than the t-34 in every, single way.

Sherman fires faster and is more accurate slightly

Sherman HE rounds have more AOE than t-34/76. 1.1 kill radio for t-34/76, 1.4 for the sherman

sherman has slightly more armor

sherman comes with a tank destroyer in the same tier building, thus making it more flexible

sherman has smoke, non doctrinal crew repair.


I don't understand why there is such a major difference in performance between the sherman and t-34.

I think if the t-34/76 got the same AOE as the sherman it would be fine.



One thing to note that the t-34/76 did have an AOE kill radius of 1.4 meters before western front armies was released. Then the t-34/76 got a stealh nerf for some reason.
13 Sep 2014, 15:50 PM
#2
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Yeah give the T34/76 its reload time back!
13 Sep 2014, 16:00 PM
#3
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It felt so lonely being the only viable tier based soviet tank so relic decided to let it go and hang out with the other useless overpriced tanks that inhabit t3 and t4.
13 Sep 2014, 16:00 PM
#4
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For some reason I fear T34's more than M4 Shermans when playing OKW, lol
13 Sep 2014, 16:09 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2014, 16:00 PMMackie
It felt so lonely being the only viable tier based soviet tank so relic decided to let it go and hang out with the other useless overpriced tanks that inhabit t3 and t4.


Hehe pretty much this. At least they know of the current Call in meta and are going to fix it. Looking forward to see how this turns out in the end.
13 Sep 2014, 16:19 PM
#6
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Just make T34s cheaper jeeez. 90 fuel and 260 manpower?
13 Sep 2014, 16:44 PM
#7
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2014, 15:43 PMBurts
Ok, so lets look at the t-34/76 and M4 sherman, they both cost almost the same, 100 vs 110.

However, for some strange reason, the sherman is better than the t-34 in every, single way.

Sherman fires faster and is more accurate slightly

Sherman HE rounds have more AOE than t-34/76. 1.1 kill radio for t-34/76, 1.4 for the sherman

sherman has slightly more armor

sherman comes with a tank destroyer in the same tier building, thus making it more flexible

sherman has smoke, non doctrinal crew repair.


I don't understand why there is such a major difference in performance between the sherman and t-34.

I think if the t-34/76 got the same AOE as the sherman it would be fine.



One thing to note that the t-34/76 did have an AOE kill radius of 1.4 meters before western front armies was released. Then the t-34/76 got a stealh nerf for some reason.



yes ignore the fact that they have around a 10 second delay every time they switch rounds making them far more taxing in micro management not to mention it greatly reduces their impact if they encounter infantry while in ap rounds and its borderline game over if they encounter a p4 while in he rounds.

give me tank liek the t-34 anytime.
13 Sep 2014, 16:45 PM
#8
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cheap crap is still crap
13 Sep 2014, 16:56 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2014, 16:00 PMMackie
It felt so lonely being the only viable tier based soviet tank so relic decided to let it go and hang out with the other useless overpriced tanks that inhabit t3 and t4.


I laughed, because it is funny.

I cried, because it is true.
13 Sep 2014, 17:18 PM
#10
avatar of Bulgakov

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Every top-level player I've faced so far has built a ton of T34s. Maybe they know something you don't. Like how 2 play.
13 Sep 2014, 17:22 PM
#11
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Well... maybe it's because there is nothing else to build Einstein?
13 Sep 2014, 17:25 PM
#12
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I do feel T34s under perform somewhat. The reload change this patch makes a noticeable difference in their use - especially in their ability to face enemy tanks.

Should probably wait and see how the meta evolves this patch, though.
13 Sep 2014, 17:26 PM
#13
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I don't see Shermans with the same maneuverability as the T-34s. Don't forget to add that to its ability to survive, relocate,and perform that ram when making a comparison. Looking at the armor, reload, etc. stats by themselves and not include ALL the stats for comparison can be misleading. The excellent manueverabilty of the T-34 helps it negate the strong frontal t4 German armor...something the Sherman is not as adept at. Food for thought.
13 Sep 2014, 17:27 PM
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I don't see Shermans with the same maneuverability as the T-34s. Don't forget to add that to its ability to survive, relocate,and perform that ram when making a comparison. Looking at the armor, reload, etc. stats by themselves and not include ALL the stats for comparison can be misleading. The excellent manueverabilty of the T-34 helps it negate the strong frontal t4 German armor...something the Sherman is not as adept at. Food for thought.



??? Sherman is slightly more mobile than the t-34
13 Sep 2014, 17:45 PM
#15
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Just make T34s cheaper jeeez. 90 fuel and 260 manpower?


A 160 health buff at Vet 3 would be nice as well, give it more survivability.



jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2014, 16:44 PMJaigen
yes ignore the fact that they have around a 10 second delay every time they switch rounds making them far more taxing in micro management not to mention it greatly reduces their impact if they encounter infantry while in ap rounds and its borderline game over if they encounter a p4 while in he rounds.

give me tank liek the t-34 anytime.


You wouldn't say that if you knew that Sherman on AP rounds were more effective against Infantry than the T-34/76 gun, and that's without the rooftop .50 cal.
13 Sep 2014, 17:59 PM
#16
avatar of Albus

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Current iteration of the T34 is great. Probably one of the best medium tanks in the game in terms of cost-effectiveness, second really only to the PIV (I'd take T34s over Shermans any day of the week).

Looking over the Sherman vs T34 stats, the Sherman is indeed better in almost every way (usually only by an extremely small margin however) but is clunkier in terms of micro due to having to switch between types of rounds. Also, the Sherman costs slightly more per tank.

I personally think the units fine. I don't whether giving it its old pre-patch reload time is a good move because the tank is fine at the moment anyway.
13 Sep 2014, 18:02 PM
#17
avatar of Burts

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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2014, 17:59 PMAlbus
Current iteration of the T34 is great. Probably one of the best medium tanks in the game in terms of cost-effectiveness, second really only to the PIV (I'd take T34s over Shermans any day of the week).

Looking over the Sherman vs T34 stats, the Sherman is indeed better in almost every way (usually only by an extremely small margin however) but is clunkier in terms of micro due to having to switch between types of rounds. Also, the Sherman costs slightly more per tank.

I personally think the units fine. I don't whether giving it its old pre-patch reload time is a good move because the tank is fine at the moment anyway.



The difference between these 2 tanks is not minor. That 1 second reload difference makes a HUGE difference in a tank engagement.

And the sherman difference in AOE isin't minor either, sherman AOE kill radius is 1.4, t-34 radius 1.1. While the sherman also comes with the m36 jackson, and you can't have an su-85 if you want t-34s
13 Sep 2014, 18:21 PM
#18
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I still love the T34.. it isnt a shit tank. It performs how it should for its price, and while the reload "nerf" is kinda unnecessary, it really doesnt make the T34 a shit and useless tank.
13 Sep 2014, 18:33 PM
#19
avatar of Burts

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I still love the T34.. it isnt a shit tank. It performs how it should for its price, and while the reload "nerf" is kinda unnecessary, it really doesnt make the T34 a shit and useless tank.



I'm not saying it's useless. I still use the t-34 too. All i am saying, is that it UNDERPERFORMS considerably, when compared to the M4 sherman, the t-34/76 if anything should perform better than the M4 sherman, because the t-34 doesn't come with a tank destroyer in the same tier structure.
13 Sep 2014, 18:53 PM
#20
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Honestly, i find that T34 is considerably better than the USF stock sherman. The Sherman apparently refuses to pen anything, even with pen rounds active. T34 atleast does. Thats purely my subjective opinion.
All i find the stock sherman good for are the HE rounds, and even those arent beastly.
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