Panzer 4 under preforming
1 Sep 2014, 00:28 AM
#41
Posts: 105
If the PIV is underperforming then so is the T34/76
1 Sep 2014, 01:09 AM
#42
Posts: 122
It's fine. The penetrate on is too low against heavy tanks, but that's a problem with the call in system timing and cheapness. Heavy tank call ins (including kv1/8) should have 1-2 CP increase and all tanks (even mediums) should require teching.
Tieing heavies to tech won't be enough to delay heavy tank rushes, since most can afford it at 20 mins. A small CP increase is also needed.
This vehicle should be meta instead of tiger rush.
Tieing heavies to tech won't be enough to delay heavy tank rushes, since most can afford it at 20 mins. A small CP increase is also needed.
This vehicle should be meta instead of tiger rush.
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1 Sep 2014, 01:10 AM
#43
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Personally I find the balance between the P4, the T34/85 and the Easy-Eight a bit more interesting currently to be honest.
The balance between the Panzer IV and the Easy Eight is the real red zone. If the E8 is fine, the Panzer IV is under-performing, and vice-versa. There's just too much a leap in armour, accuracy, and penetration to be just 10 fuel apart. Between the Panzer IV and T-34/76 the Panzer IV has a major AI advantage and minor AT advantage.
___ T-34/76_| Panzer IV
Max: 8.3271 | 13.4308
10m: 7.2955 | 12.2971
Min: 5.3594 | 05.8090
That's without upgrades, and nevermind the gun is slightly more accurate with slightly larger lethal AOE. Add in the roof turret and the DPS is 3x higher than the T-34/76 (though still spread across 4 weapons).
Regardless as I said, the problem isn't that the Panzer IV is weak (though personally I feel it lacks AT punch), the Easy Eight is hugely over-performing for it's price and making the Panzer IV look bad. Maybe slight Pen buff for the Panzer IV, but definitely a cost increase for the Easy Eight.
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1 Sep 2014, 01:28 AM
#44
Posts: 105
The E8 just need a price increase. It should cost around the same as a Panther.
1 Sep 2014, 02:39 AM
#45
Posts: 117
I wouldn't argue against a small penetration buff on both the t-34 and p4 to keep them more relevant late game.
1 Sep 2014, 02:54 AM
#46
8 Posts: 2470
the guns of the IV and 34/76 are almost identical, of the three differences the only significant one is the 34/76's pen falloff.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/panzer_4_75mm_mp
http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/t34_kv1_m1940_f-34_76mm__mp
the fight between a IV and a 34/76 comes down to RNG but the IV loses badly to anything bigger.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/panzer_4_75mm_mp
http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/t34_kv1_m1940_f-34_76mm__mp
the fight between a IV and a 34/76 comes down to RNG but the IV loses badly to anything bigger.
1 Sep 2014, 04:56 AM
#47
Posts: 1705
It just looks awful alongside the e8 for just 10 more fuel,and even 3 panzer 4s can't beat is-2 most of the time because they can't penetrate its armor.But overall its a good tank,broken underpriced call-ins make it look bad.
1 Sep 2014, 06:41 AM
#48
Posts: 239
The E8 just need a price increase. It should cost around the same as a Panther.
Not sure if serious.....
Maybe a small increase, but it doesn't have the performance to justify Panther pricing.
1 Sep 2014, 08:20 AM
#49
Posts: 1130
Not sure if serious.....
Maybe a small increase, but it doesn't have the performance to justify Panther pricing.
Actually they do. both units completely and utterly roflstomp german medium armor and have enough penetration to be a severe headache to german heavy armor. that sounds something only the panther can accomplish all the while they maintain excellent ai compared to the panther.
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1 Sep 2014, 09:05 AM
#50
Posts: 239
Actually they do. both units completely and utterly roflstomp german medium armor and have enough penetration to be a severe headache to german heavy armor. that sounds something only the panther can accomplish all the while they maintain excellent ai compared to the panther.
E8 has 175/165/155 penetration, Panther has 260/240/220. Panther has 50 range, E8 has 40. Panther has 290 armor and 800 health (and gains armor and health at vet 2), E8 has 215 armor and 640 health.
E8 is "okay" against heavier german armor while having above average armor for an allied tank but low health (which means that against stuff like a Panther it's no more durable than a T-34/76 or regular Sherman).
1 Sep 2014, 11:55 AM
#51
Posts: 1701
then use it when tank's not moving.
it is still very useful ability
Sometimes it will not fire, sometimes it will take munitions and do nothing, and if some superskilled player parks his tiny tank in front of a PaK40 stationary for about 3s, it may be stunned or it may not. Yup, super useful ability, its not bugged at all, if you dont know how to use it, L2P, right? lol
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1 Sep 2014, 12:12 PM
#52
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E8 has 175/165/155 penetration, Panther has 260/240/220. Panther has 50 range, E8 has 40. Panther has 290 armor and 800 health (and gains armor and health at vet 2), E8 has 215 armor and 640 health.
E8 is "okay" against heavier german armor while having above average armor for an allied tank but low health (which means that against stuff like a Panther it's no more durable than a T-34/76 or regular Sherman).
Far better DPS than panther,better accuracy,AI and far lower cost and no teching.Range is useless as it lacks vision and its accuracy at long range is shit.Pz 4 at 125 and e8 at 135 is inexcuseable.
1 Sep 2014, 12:34 PM
#53
Posts: 1740
SO the T34/76 still exists in this game?
Haven't seen it for ages...
Haven't seen it for ages...
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1 Sep 2014, 12:38 PM
#54
Posts: 1617
SO the T34/76 still exists in this game?
Haven't seen it for ages...
Combined with call-ins they are still pretty good vs OKW in 1v1s.
1 Sep 2014, 12:55 PM
#55
1 Posts: 927
You fix callin abuse with tech requirement and a cooldown so you cant spam the same callin tank the whole game
1 Sep 2014, 13:35 PM
#56
Posts: 1217
The Panzer IV received anti infantry buffs throughout the patches. This makes it relatively easy to vet up. With vet 2 it gets quite durable. Thus I think it´s at a fine place.
In fact it´s better than a Panther - and that is broken. It has more dps than the Panther and almost penetrates just as easy versus medium tanks. Also the Panzer IV is outperformed by no tech Tigers in every aspect - that´s why it seems a bit weak.
If we tied call in tanks to tech and made the Panther better, the Panzer IV would shine again as an available multi-purpose tank, while the Panther would actually fight armor and the Tiger wouldn´t be as numerous but a breakthrough tank for special situations.
In fact it´s better than a Panther - and that is broken. It has more dps than the Panther and almost penetrates just as easy versus medium tanks. Also the Panzer IV is outperformed by no tech Tigers in every aspect - that´s why it seems a bit weak.
If we tied call in tanks to tech and made the Panther better, the Panzer IV would shine again as an available multi-purpose tank, while the Panther would actually fight armor and the Tiger wouldn´t be as numerous but a breakthrough tank for special situations.
1 Sep 2014, 13:57 PM
#57
Posts: 183
The E8 just need a price increase. It should cost around the same as a Panther.Then i stop to play. It has nothing more to do with Reality (Mass Allied Forces) !!!! And he is worse Than Panther !!!
1 Sep 2014, 14:01 PM
#58
Posts: 209
Then i stop to play. It has nothing more to do with Reality (Mass Allied Forces) !!!! And he is worse Than Panther !!!
True i will back you up here. E8 just looks cool and dandy but a well microed panther out shines a E8.
1 Sep 2014, 14:08 PM
#59
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Sometimes it will not fire, sometimes it will take munitions and do nothing, and if some superskilled player parks his tiny tank in front of a PaK40 stationary for about 3s, it may be stunned or it may not. Yup, super useful ability, its not bugged at all, if you dont know how to use it, L2P, right? lol
not to derail this topic but if twp worked 100% of the time, 40 muni would be giving it away for practically free. a guarantee couple of seconds stun (for most vehicles) in front of non other than the pak40 ATG would be priceless.
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1 Sep 2014, 14:28 PM
#60
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True i will back you up here. E8 just looks cool and dandy but a well microed panther out shines a E8.
I think Wehrmacht players would trade their Panther any day for a tank with the price/stats of an Easy8. Oberkommando Panther is okayish, but overpriced when compared to E8 still.
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