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24 Jul 2014, 18:16 PM
#81
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 16:48 PMiDolize


Show me a video of 1 E 8 killing 2 skirted vetted P IV's...

The video either doesnt exist, or the OKW player has some of the shittiest microing skills ever.

No way an E 8 will win a fight when being attacked in the rear, 2 good rear shots and its already on fire.


I'd upload my replay where he literally just left his easy 8 sitting there unsupported and my p4's both died leaving it around 1/3 hp. Except for the patch invalidated the replay =/
24 Jul 2014, 18:33 PM
#82
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 17:43 PMKatitof
I would really argue if its better then 34/85.

It got weaker AI and less HP and against dedicated AT only HP matters for anything else then heavy tanks.


.5 less AOE radius for greatly reduced scatter? easy eight has better AI
24 Jul 2014, 18:38 PM
#83
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 18:33 PMwooof


.5 less AOE radius for greatly reduced scatter? not to mention nearly double the RoF. easy eight has better AI


T34/76 seems to do better AI than T34/85 to me just with the main gun, but yes, obviously E8 is much better.
24 Jul 2014, 18:56 PM
#84
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 17:43 PMKatitof
I would really argue if its better then 34/85.

It got weaker AI and less HP and against dedicated AT only HP matters for anything else then heavy tanks.


E8 has far better AI than the T34/85. Main gun is similar in performance, but it has better MGs (and more).
24 Jul 2014, 19:04 PM
#85
avatar of coh2player

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How about the lend lease sherman vs. the E8 and the T-34/76 and 85?

The Sherman 75 HE should be the best, right?
24 Jul 2014, 19:07 PM
#86
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But its armor makes extremely good except vs panther/tiger.Especially this is its large adv when facing stugs/pz 4s which are around by the time it comes around.That armor is worth 5 fuel at least more than t-34/85.


Both tiger and panther will penetrate it 100% of the time, armor is completely irrelevant against them.

Its armor matters only against wehr T3 and pumas, but pumas shouldn't be fighting heavier armor as they are light tank destroyers and ost T3 will have amazing AT support from T2.
24 Jul 2014, 19:10 PM
#87
avatar of Napalm

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E8 has far better AI than the T34/85. Main gun is similar in performance, but it has better MGs (and more).


And more?! Can it shred? dice? is there a built in karaoke machine?
24 Jul 2014, 19:11 PM
#88
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 19:10 PMNapalm


And more?! Can it shred? dice? is there a built in karaoke machine?


The bigger question is: will it blend?
24 Jul 2014, 19:11 PM
#89
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 19:10 PMNapalm

Can it shred?


That gave me the flashback from CoH1 sherman anti mine upgrade of awesome.
24 Jul 2014, 19:21 PM
#90
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T34/76 seems to do better AI than T34/85 to me just with the main gun, but yes, obviously E8 is much better.


I see the T34/76 doing squad wipes more than ISU's these days. E8s are even worse.
24 Jul 2014, 19:21 PM
#91
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 19:07 PMKatitof


Both tiger and panther will penetrate it 100% of the time, armor is completely irrelevant against them.


a tiger will only penetrate it 100% at point blank range. at max range it has almost a 20% chance to deflect. 20% may not be huge, but thats 20% more than the t34/85.

even ignoring that, the easy eight has a 12% better chance to pen a tiger at max range.

easy eight is better at both AT and AI. t34/85 is better at taking 1 extra hit and its a bit faster. thats about it.
24 Jul 2014, 19:25 PM
#92
avatar of coh2player

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The thing is, the T-34/85 usually gets marked target bonus which makes it the best medium tank hunter.
24 Jul 2014, 20:24 PM
#93
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i dont think 35% more damage is enough to offset higher pen.
24 Jul 2014, 20:50 PM
#94
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Well with better AI,i suspected it but didn't knwo the actual stats.Thats why its so brutal on teh volks and raketen..well 145 is the LEAST.
nee
24 Jul 2014, 20:57 PM
#95
avatar of nee

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IMO the call-in seems to cooldown really fast. What is the coodown timer for the easy eight, anyone know? Compare with, say, the vanilla Sherman's production time. Whenever I use easy eights I feel like I'm getting them from an assembly line, so for a match where you are swimming in resources, you can easily get a few of them in a pinch.

All that to say, perhaps one way to nerf the easy eight is to merely increase their dispatch time rather than adjust their stats? The USF really benefits from the improved versatile firepower the easy eight brings.
24 Jul 2014, 20:59 PM
#96
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 20:57 PMnee
IMO the call-in seems to cooldown really fast. What is the coodown timer for the easy eight, anyone know? Compare with, say, the vanilla Sherman's production time. Whenever I use easy eights I feel like I'm getting them from an assembly line, so for a match where you are swimming in resources, you can easily get a few of them in a pinch.

All that to say, perhaps one way to nerf the easy eight is to merely increase their dispatch time rather than adjust their stats? The USF really benefits from the improved versatile firepower the easy eight brings.


Irrelevant,135 fuel is just big enough to eliminate cooldown issues.Its not 50 fuel u can spam unit after unit afetr unit as soon cooldown goes away.
24 Jul 2014, 21:21 PM
#97
avatar of coh2player

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Thought it was 50%. So it was patched? I'm pretty surprised to see the ROF being 3.4 seconds vs. 6.4 seconds of the T-34/85. The E8 didn't appear to fire that fast.

jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 20:24 PMwooof
i dont think 35% more damage is enough to offset nearly double the rate of fire and higher pen.
24 Jul 2014, 21:29 PM
#98
avatar of wooof

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yea it got nerfed back in april. you cant stack it multiple times now either.
24 Jul 2014, 21:43 PM
#99
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 20:24 PMwooof
i dont think 35% more damage is enough to offset nearly double the rate of fire and higher pen.


Reload Easy Eight
Duration multi far:
1.0
Duration multi near:
1.0
Duration min:
6.0
Duration max:
6.6


Reload T-34/85
Duration multi far:
1.0
Duration multi near:
1.0
Duration min:
6.0
Duration max:
6.3

Doesn't seem to shoot 50% faster to me.
24 Jul 2014, 21:51 PM
#100
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hm. youre right. somehow there was an error in my formula for the easy eight. regardless, less scatter still beats slightly more AOE. higher pen and enough armor to bouce paks and tigers beats being able to take 1 more hit.
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