Infantry Blobs

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2014, 17:20 PMKatitof

Without Zeal upgrade they actually had penalty.

And wehr pios had a penalty as well for blobbing.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2014, 01:58 AMDullahan

If you can't counter an infantry blob, you need to learn how to use artillery and suppression tools properly.

There's nothing to fix other than your shitty play.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 19:54 PMMr. Someguy

On the contrary, you're getting blobbing mixed up with spamming. Spamming is when you make a lot of the same unit regardless of how you use it. Blobbing is when you put a bunch of units into one big mob and move them all around at once with no attention to cover or tactics. Often times they overlap, such as a blob made up of 5 Riflesquads, but not always.

Spam takes more effort to use, because you still need cover and tactics. Spam is often a side-effect of other units being less effective even with combined arms, than simply building one type. It happens because the weakness of building one unit type is still stronger than the weakness of diverting resources to another type.

Blobbing takes little effort or risk for high payout and is popular among low - mid tier players, even moreso with Americans since they can create the most versatile blobs. The biggest blobs (what I call "critical mass") can even steamroll things meant to counter them, like Machine Guns and Tanks.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 20:03 PMNapalm

Blobbing is actively being encouraged by Relic. In order to reduce the amounts of blobs there needs to be checks in place. Units such as stuka half tracks, god-cannon tiger; abilities such as off map artillery; and to a lesser extent suppression are examples of checks. Over the past patches these checks are becoming less effective for blob control. KV8, German rocket half track, Katyusha have been adjusted and no longer effectively counter the blobs.

So whats a player left to do?

You get creative. You mass your own units and you throw them against the opponents blob. 2 Uber squads? I raise you my 3 shock troop squads. It's an arm race for the ultimate blob

May the largest blob win.

There is the catch though.

If Relic reverts a lot of the adjustments there will be a whole lot of whines about units getting one shotted. ISU, love it and hate it, was an effective blob counter. Obviously, that was over powered and corrected.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 20:03 PMNapalm

Over the past patches these checks are becoming less effective for blob control. KV8, German rocket half track, Katyusha have been adjusted and no longer effectively counter the blobs.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 20:08 PMMr. Someguy

Well the problem with those units wasn't so much that they countered blobs, but that they countered anything with 2 feet and a rifle. Yes they fought blobs well, but that was just a side-effect of the fact that they annihilated non-blobs just as hard.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 20:14 PMNapalm

You got it. That is the fine act of balancing.

My personal opinion is that it is impossible to deal with blobs at a balance level. There will always be blobs in this game and they will be effective.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 20:17 PMJHeartless

Katushya, Arty, Werfer, Stuka having increased accuracy against blobs would be another way.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2014, 19:54 PMMr. Someguy

On the contrary, you're getting blobbing mixed up with spamming. Spamming is when you make a lot of the same unit regardless of how you use it. Blobbing is when you put a bunch of units into one big mob and move them all around at once with no attention to cover or tactics. Often times they overlap, such as a blob made up of 5 Riflesquads, but not always.

Spam takes more effort to use, because you still need cover and tactics. Spam is often a side-effect of other units being less effective even with combined arms, than simply building one type. It happens because the weakness of building one unit type is still stronger than the weakness of diverting resources to another type.

Blobbing takes little effort or risk for high payout and is popular among low - mid tier players, even moreso with Americans since they can create the most versatile blobs. The biggest blobs (what I call "critical mass") can even steamroll things meant to counter them, like Machine Guns and Tanks.