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SU-85 vs Tiger broken

11 Jun 2014, 16:05 PM
#21
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I'd love to see a picture of this, but I'm not sure this is actually possible. Maybe if the MG 42 kept poppi8ng API Rounds, but I never tried those on a Tank. Regardless, I'm pretty sure that Tanks are completely bulletproof regardless of armour.


AP rounds can Pen a T70 from the rear. Had it happen. Many times. Not sure about the T34/76.
11 Jun 2014, 16:08 PM
#22
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I would imagine it was using incendiary rounds, only way I could see it being possible.
11 Jun 2014, 17:50 PM
#23
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Winter Defence challenge I killed the Tiger with Mg 42 API once
12 Jun 2014, 04:15 AM
#24
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This is not only for that case.

In general, i observe that the "bads" or tinner tanks vs "best" and heavy tanks have this penetration problem, half of the shots fail.
12 Jun 2014, 05:00 AM
#25
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There is no need to read anymore. :P
12 Jun 2014, 08:10 AM
#26
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I would imagine it was using incendiary rounds, only way I could see it being possible.


Aaaand if your T34 was imobilized, had its main gun destroyed I supposed and had 50% health, while MG was shoting at the rear armor with incendiaries, why it's so odd that the tank was finally destroyed?
12 Jun 2014, 08:57 AM
#27
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Well an MG shouldn't do enough damage during incediary rounds to destroy a T34 on 50% health. That'd be pretty insane :P But I'm pretty sure it didn't, cause I never even see it do that much damage against a T70 with incendiary.
12 Jun 2014, 09:04 AM
#28
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So primitive... Looks like there is no problem with amount of rng in game but the functions computer uses, that kind of function will never be even close to fair or real. With a straight line you can even penetrate a t-34 with mg-42 with 1,5% chance which is not so low considering it fires bursts.


I don't remember the specific number, but if chance of penetration is lower than it (2%? 5%? like I've said, I don't remember the exact number) it counts as 0%.

Saying that, MG42 incendiary rounds have +9 penetration, giving it 10.4 penetration at max range which should be enough to eventually kill a T-34 from the back (since 14.9% is most likely above the threshold for reduction to 0%).
12 Jun 2014, 11:37 AM
#29
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Its just RNG in my observations.

SU85 has tendency to miss couple of times then don't penetrate couple of times.

Because of the way its designed it really hurts when it misses those first couple of shots from distance as it then becomes vulnerable.

Marder had same problem in VCOH, lost countless games because it missed/bounced first couple of shots of rushing Sherman.

You don't notice those things on t34 or panther because you are trying to flank, but they miss as well.
It just doesn't feel the same because you are 'snipping' with SU85 and concentrating more on every shot/round instead of concentrating on positioning and terrain
13 Jun 2014, 01:16 AM
#30
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I'm not sure if that's fixable. Afaik chance to hit is accuracy × target size. If you increase the accuracy, it increases the chances of sniping Infantry as well.

Which if I'm right is only a 0.65% chance to hit at max range. That sounds awfully low for a tank destroyer firing at a large tank...
13 Jun 2014, 11:13 AM
#31
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most tanks have an accuracy of 0.05 (near) and 0.035 (far)

multiplies with target size and mobility multiplier
tiger are sized at 28.

Stationary tiger is always 100% chance of hitting
13 Jun 2014, 13:35 PM
#32
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I'm not sure if that's fixable. Afaik chance to hit is accuracy × target size. If you increase the accuracy, it increases the chances of sniping Infantry as well.

Which if I'm right is only a 0.65% chance to hit at max range. That sounds awfully low for a tank destroyer firing at a large tank...


It's 65%.

0.025 is 2.5% x 26 which is the tiger's unit size = 65% at max range.

Penetration at max range of the SU-85 gun is 180

180/300 x 100 = 60% chance to penetrate at max range.
15 Jun 2014, 16:51 PM
#33
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It's 65%.

0.025 is 2.5% x 26 which is the tiger's unit size = 65% at max range.

Penetration at max range of the SU-85 gun is 180

180/300 x 100 = 60% chance to penetrate at max range.


That's what I meant, sorry. When I wrote 0.65% chance, I was still in the mindset that 1 = 100% chance, which is how the stats are written :P
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