I understand why CIS countrys hate single player campaign

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 04:17 AMcoffee111

"Estimates of total deaths of German civilians have ranged from 500,000 to a maximum of 3.0 million persons. The death toll also includes the forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union."

The Soviets were horrific in their treatment of Germans after the war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#Casualties This includes the complete genocide of all Germans who lived in East Prussia, now called Kaliningrad...

Hitler and the Nazis had some "positive facts" as well, but they pale in comparison to the atrocities they committed. The Soviet Union and Stalin actually get it pretty easy compared to the Nazis, especially considering that Stalin worked with Hitler to divide up eastern Europe and waged war alongside Hitler until Operation Barbarossa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 04:05 AMcoffee111

War isn't pretty. Dictatorships aren't pretty. Could they have focused on the individual heroism of the soldiers in the war? Sure. But then they would have been accused of being Soviet fanboys instead of Nazi sympathizers.

The reality is that Stalin, Hitler, FDR, and Churchill were all murdering fuckheads who ordered the deaths of millions in a giant fucked ego-fest that raped a generation, all to satisfy their own sense of entitlement and ambition.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 09:36 AMAngryCustomer

that's how singplayer should look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IwmYAdgU18 instead of watching enemy of the gates look this vid

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 03:20 AMBabaRoga

The truth is that 'truth' is always lost through pink perspective glasses over the eyes of the beholder.

'Allies at the Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials never criminalised aerial bombardment of non-military targets and Axis leaders who ordered a similar type of practice were not prosecuted'

As many historians will tell you, the only reason is: because Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Eisenhower, and entire Allies high command would have to hang themselves together with Nazis, for deliberately ordering close to a million civilians to be deliberately killed/burned alive and countless more homeless and injured.

As you said, the truth is Soviets were not better than the Nazis. It only means you have to look from slightly different perspective.

That being said, Relic chose to focus on Cold war propaganda-ish story line, instead of plenty of heroic stories they could have.

Like in VCOH, they could have easily focused the story on order to burn alive 100,000 people in Dressden and Hamburg and allies numerous desertions trials and sentences, killing close to 100,000 French civilians in air raids, etc.
Evil face of Churchill and order to target civilians, and there you go. You have yourself British Stalin and not so noble and heroic Allied WW2 campaign

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 10:07 AMLast of the Catachan

1)Germany bombed Britain also using fire bombs , then later on using v1& v2 which were actually called terror weapons.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 10:07 AMLast of the Catachan

3)Hitler decided to continue with the war but why didn't one of those spineless army officers who are always talking about honour put a bullet in his head, but here's the catch most german generals blame hitler for losing the war and that they could do better if in command so the cycle would continue probably even more death and destruction and if the war had dragged on longer then 1945 therisk of atomics being used.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 10:07 AMLast of the Catachan

1)Germany bombed Britain also using fire bombs , then later on using v1& v2 which were actually called terror weapons.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 11:39 AMZupadupadude

How does this justify the Allies' bombing of civilians? Just because your enemy does it doesn't suddenly make it right for you to do it as well.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 12:11 PMImagelessbean

The campaign was bad, boring, and not immerssive. It did not feel like you mattered to the story, and as far as I could tell my job was to watch a bunch of really corny cut scenes loosely based on reality.

It would have been so much better to take command of different companies all along the front and after completing a mission flip back and show you a cut scene with a tactical map. Then they could discuss the history of what was going on without delving into war crimes.

Yes war crimes happened on both sides, and were especially grievous in the Soviet and German states, but I don't want to play a game focusing on them.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 11:56 AMVonMecha

Because those civilians and those cities like it not, supported the war effort. Not only that intermingled in the cities are military personnel and weaponry. Maybe it isn't kosher, but lining people up in front of ditches and shooting them is a step beyond the line of being casualties of war and genocidal maniacs. Starving people to death in the millions, because you invade and annex them, make them slave laborers on their own lands and take the food they grow and send it to Moscow. There is an obvious point at which you cant not deny the true evilness of ones action.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 12:30 PMZupadupadude

Yea sure, but the argument of "The Germans bombed the Allies so the Allies can bomb innocent civilians too" is dumb.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 12:52 PMMr. Someguy

Welcome to Total War, everyone is part of the war effort, everyone is a target.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2014, 12:30 PMZupadupadude

Yea sure, but the argument of "The Germans bombed the Allies so the Allies can bomb innocent civilians too" is dumb.