I feel lately that i cant do much against gren and pio against anyone with decent micro, because grens beat cons at range and if u try to move in closer and molotov as u did prepatch to deny the grens cover so u could win the engagement, but this wont work in this patch since ur cons die as flies when they carge to molotov the grens which would be fine if grens and cons are equal at range.
So my suggestion is nerf the range dmg on grens or buff cons to scale with range dmg so they are equal to grens or give the molotov longer range so u can deny cover better.
Make conscripts and grenadiers more equal
7 Apr 2014, 09:58 AM
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7 Apr 2014, 11:24 AM
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7 Apr 2014, 11:34 AM
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having grens and cons being exactly the same isn't a better system imo. 
that said i think grens need a price increase if they are going to continue to be as good as they are compared to cons, or cons need a buff.
that said i think grens need a price increase if they are going to continue to be as good as they are compared to cons, or cons need a buff
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7 Apr 2014, 11:50 AM
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Grens should be more powerful but Conscripts should be significantly cheaper.
7 Apr 2014, 13:44 PM
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Grens should be more powerful but Conscripts should be significantly cheaper.
agree. imo theres nothing wrong with cons being inferior. Having to pay the same price for inferiorty though is completely ridicoulus
7 Apr 2014, 13:52 PM
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Yes but now the soviets have even more micro tax to pay. Model per model scripts always were weaker than the übermensch but more models made them equal. Let's go back to that it worked.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
9 Apr 2014, 20:17 PM
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Conscripts should just work as inteded. They should clearly beat grens at short to mid ranges and grens should beat them at mid to long. This is not the case and this is why many players are having difficulties at the moment.
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9 Apr 2014, 20:48 PM
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Conscripts should just work as inteded. They should clearly beat grens at short to mid ranges and grens should beat them at mid to long. This is not the case and this is why many players are having difficulties at the moment.
Then what should penals do?
Because they are still overlapping with conscripts with combat role.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
9 Apr 2014, 20:51 PM
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I don't want it to be 100 percent equal or else RNG will be the deciding factor, but at-least make them useful again.
9 Apr 2014, 23:03 PM
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Then what should penals do?
Because they are still overlapping with conscripts with combat role.
Increase price and make them more mid/mid-long. Flame upgrade replaces SVT with mosin + PPSH, changing the role to CQC fighters.
As you said, actual Penals overlap roles with conscripts.
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9 Apr 2014, 23:47 PM
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Make cons cheaper ---> 200mp should be right for what they deliver at the moment.
Make ooorah for free so that cons always have a chance to sprint towards grens and throw a molotv. Right now, especially in the beginning of the match, Soviet players spend so much ammo on ooorah, so that they don't have enough ammo left for molotvs and later on for at nades.
Make penals 240mp because penals aren't better than grens but they aren't worse either.
Nerf German pioneers or buff Soviet combat engineers. They cost the same but pios perform much much better.
Reduce Soviet t1 and t2 building times to German t1 building time, so that Soviets get similar equally strong units on the field at the same time as Germans.
Make ooorah for free so that cons always have a chance to sprint towards grens and throw a molotv. Right now, especially in the beginning of the match, Soviet players spend so much ammo on ooorah, so that they don't have enough ammo left for molotvs and later on for at nades.
Make penals 240mp because penals aren't better than grens but they aren't worse either.
Nerf German pioneers or buff Soviet combat engineers. They cost the same but pios perform much much better.
Reduce Soviet t1 and t2 building times to German t1 building time, so that Soviets get similar equally strong units on the field at the same time as Germans.
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10 Apr 2014, 00:04 AM
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Make cons cheaper ---> 200mp should be right for what they deliver at the moment.
Make ooorah for free so that cons always have a chance to sprint towards grens and throw a molotv. Right now, especially in the beginning of the match, Soviet players spend so much ammo on ooorah, so that they don't have enough ammo left for molotvs and later on for at nades.
that should be viable only if conscripts can be punished at the same time and take extra damage
10 Apr 2014, 00:12 AM
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that should be viable only if conscripts can be punished at the same time and take extra damage
No. Cons get easily beaten by 190 mp pio squad. They are already weak enough and aren't worth more than 200mp.
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10 Apr 2014, 00:19 AM
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There is no way a cons can be easily beaten by pio after the hot fix patch, and pio is actually 200 mp.
10 Apr 2014, 00:54 AM
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Make cons cheaper ---> 200mp should be right for what they deliver at the moment.
Make ooorah for free so that cons always have a chance to sprint towards grens and throw a molotv. Right now, especially in the beginning of the match, Soviet players spend so much ammo on ooorah, so that they don't have enough ammo left for molotvs and later on for at nades.
Very good ideas. Although I don't know if lowering the cost for cons wouldn't just lead to the same problem which is the prevalent early game for Ostheer (grens) at the moment. The reduction of the ammo cost for ooorah might go a long way to even things out versus vanilla grens. The problems of how badly cons scale with vet into the late game and g43s and lmgs would still remain but it would make them more viable in the early game.
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10 Apr 2014, 02:59 AM
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Conscripts need to be Soviet early game map presence and function primarily as a map control unit to, initially, fight against the core elements of the Germans, and later transition primarily into a supporting role for the Soviet core units and serving as the main map control unit.
For DoW2 players - Conscripts = Guardians. They'd get beaten by Tactical Marines(Grenadiers) in straight up combat, but were cheaper and much more mobile allowing for greater numbers and more map control.
Penals right now are not necessarily overshadowed, but they are not really a unit you can seriously invest in. It's often just better to build one or two more Conscripts for the map control, cheaper reinforcements and utility.
This should change. Both Conscripts and Penals need to be scaled back in their roles; Conscripts to fill the aforementioned role of map presence and mid game support, and Penals to form the main combat body that can go toe-toe with Assault Grenadiers, Panzer Grenadiers, and so on.
For DoW2 players - Conscripts = Guardians. They'd get beaten by Tactical Marines(Grenadiers) in straight up combat, but were cheaper and much more mobile allowing for greater numbers and more map control.
Penals right now are not necessarily overshadowed, but they are not really a unit you can seriously invest in. It's often just better to build one or two more Conscripts for the map control, cheaper reinforcements and utility.
This should change. Both Conscripts and Penals need to be scaled back in their roles; Conscripts to fill the aforementioned role of map presence and mid game support, and Penals to form the main combat body that can go toe-toe with Assault Grenadiers, Panzer Grenadiers, and so on.
10 Apr 2014, 04:18 AM
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reduce cons by 20 mp. problem solved.
10 Apr 2014, 04:31 AM
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Cons should definitely be able to do 'something' right. The right idea is for them to be good at what Relic says they are good for.
Cheap guys (lower MP cost?) that can flood the battlefield quickly (built in your HQ immediately - no base building).
Dude if I have to play against cons that can actually go 1v1 a gren squad and they win the attrition war, being so numerous and cheap to put out, THEN face guards...
Cheap guys (lower MP cost?) that can flood the battlefield quickly (built in your HQ immediately - no base building).
Dude if I have to play against cons that can actually go 1v1 a gren squad and they win the attrition war, being so numerous and cheap to put out, THEN face guards...
21 Apr 2014, 23:38 PM
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Slight cost reduction? Yes please. Not only cons all Soviet units should be cheaper. The manpower drain has become enormous for the Soviets.
22 Apr 2014, 00:35 AM
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no cost reduction pls . i dont want the sov core infantry to become a cheap, crap and gimmicky unit. just look at rifles and volks. the balance was perfect. id love the same for coh2.
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