The More I Play Soviets the More I Like It

Solution? Buff con rifles a bit making them win more handily short range and maybe bring the PPSH damage up a little bit for medium range. I'd say also make PPSH a global upgrade but we've beaten that horse quite dead i think.

relic doesn't listen to anyone, i love your suggestions tho

also, budwise, how are you going to go against the grain if the factions are balanced?

relic doesn't listen to anyone, i love your suggestions tho

also, budwise, how are you going to go against the grain if the factions are balanced?

Its more of a philosophy to not use whatever the OP canned strat of the month is and do something more creative and fun instead.

You're a good man budwise.

You're a good man budwise.

he always had some of my favourite vCOH replays.

ily budwise

One thing that always bothered me was the philosophy of all weapons having higher DPS at close range (See table below). I think it would be interesting, from a gameplay perspective at least, if some weapons had more of a bell curve DPS.

The Soviets are like if PE and US crashed into each other. They're highly mobile with little static defense, but while they have MG's and Tanks, they're not as solid as Ostheer's.

Half my problems with Soviet are that the faction design is severely flawed, imo. They have no vehicular mid-game, so they must hold off with AT Grenades and ZiS guns until they can get Tanks.

And thanks to their faction design, you simply can not give them said vehicles, because their buildings are literally separated by early-game and late-game, there is no middle tier to which you could add a BA-64 or something.

There is a recurring suggested fix for the Soviets that would greatly help with their mid game problems. It is to swap the SU76 to T3 and the T34 to T4, greatly reduce the fuel costs for T3 and increase the fuel costs of T4 (might also need a slight increase to T1 and T2 to slow down T3, without overpricing T4 tho). This way, T3 comes a little earlier, Soviets have a halftrack to reinforce from a little sooner, the T70 and SU75 come earlier to deal with the light and medium vehicles of the germans, and give them some breakthrough capabilities vs turtling germans a little earlier as well. While the T4 then has a synergy between the T34 and SU85. It's the perfect fix, which after some balancing, will provide the soviets with a healthy mid to late game and also improve their combined arms tactics.

EDIT: such a change would also allow for better call-in oriented tactics, like stalling at T3 for your call in tanks; or for a more infantry oriented commander, skip T3 and stall for T4 vehicles. The key here is that both T3 and T4 would provide a mix of units which compliment one another at different stages of the game, instead of the current all "offense" of T3 or all "defense" of T4.

Here is a Reddit thread detailing the suggested changes:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/21jmvg/so_regardless_of_the_early_game_which_has_reach_a/

I agree with Budwise and coffee111. But like was pointed out, these changes were suggested more than 6 months ago... I wouldn't be surprised if nothing changed. It sucks that such simple fixes haven't been implemented by now.

One thing that always bothered me was the philosophy of all weapons having higher DPS at close range (See table below). I think it would be interesting, from a gameplay perspective at least, if some weapons had more of a bell curve DPS.

Dang. The LMG42 and MP44 are amazing at pretty much every engagement range except for greater than 35.

But the 59.2 DPS of the Pgrens thats not Pwnsauce.....thats what a model dead every 1.35 seconds if at full health o.O

64.8 for STs BUT ONLY at Close. Wonder who is usually gonna win that matchup..................................dot dot dot

There is a recurring suggested fix for the Soviets that would greatly help with their mid game problems. It is to swap the SU76 to T3 and the T34 to T4, greatly reduce the fuel costs for T3 and increase the fuel costs of T4 (might also need a slight increase to T1 and T2 to slow down T3, without overpricing T4 tho). This way, T3 comes a little earlier, Soviets have a halftrack to reinforce from a little sooner, the T70 and SU75 come earlier to deal with the light and medium vehicles of the germans, and give them some breakthrough capabilities vs turtling germans a little earlier as well. While the T4 then has a synergy between the T34 and SU85. It's the perfect fix, which after some balancing, will provide the soviets with a healthy mid to late game and also improve their combined arms tactics.

EDIT: such a change would also allow for better call-in oriented tactics, like stalling at T3 for your call in tanks; or for a more infantry oriented commander, skip T3 and stall for T4 vehicles. The key here is that both T3 and T4 would provide a mix of units which compliment one another at different stages of the game, instead of the current all "offense" of T3 or all "defense" of T4.

Here is a Reddit thread detailing the suggested changes:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/21jmvg/so_regardless_of_the_early_game_which_has_reach_a/

that would be actually really interesting; making t3 mid game tier and t4 late game tier. i think that would be more interesting than right now where you are just waiting for 50 more fuel while pumping out two-three more units to feel the gap as soviet.

But the 59.2 DPS of the Pgrens thats not Pwnsauce.....thats what a model dead every 1.35 seconds if at full health o.O

64.8 for STs BUT ONLY at Close. Wonder who is usually gonna win that matchup..................................dot dot dot

yea lets completely ignore the extra amor and entities that shocks have. it makes the germans sound better that way.

yea lets completely ignore the extra amor and entities that shocks have. it makes the germans sound better that way.

And the smoke grenades that let them get in close as well.

And the smoke grenades that let them get in close as well.

Smoke grenades dont work against a half decent opponent, he will just reposition his stuff. Which means that your Shocks didnt gain anything and are still molested by LMG Grens at mid to long range.

There is a recurring suggested fix for the Soviets that would greatly help with their mid game problems. It is to swap the SU76 to T3 and the T34 to T4, greatly reduce the fuel costs for T3 and increase the fuel costs of T4 (might also need a slight increase to T1 and T2 to slow down T3, without overpricing T4 tho). This way, T3 comes a little earlier, Soviets have a halftrack to reinforce from a little sooner, the T70 and SU75 come earlier to deal with the light and medium vehicles of the germans, and give them some breakthrough capabilities vs turtling germans a little earlier as well. While the T4 then has a synergy between the T34 and SU85. It's the perfect fix, which after some balancing, will provide the soviets with a healthy mid to late game and also improve their combined arms tactics.

EDIT: such a change would also allow for better call-in oriented tactics, like stalling at T3 for your call in tanks; or for a more infantry oriented commander, skip T3 and stall for T4 vehicles. The key here is that both T3 and T4 would provide a mix of units which compliment one another at different stages of the game, instead of the current all "offense" of T3 or all "defense" of T4.

Here is a Reddit thread detailing the suggested changes:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/21jmvg/so_regardless_of_the_early_game_which_has_reach_a/

I really don't like this idea, it has been posted many times before. Giving Soviets T3 and T4 is too much. Also the synergy you talk about is just ram + lots of range/damage. That combo is extremely lethal, too lethal to given to any player who makes it to the late game.

If you want to do this Panther would need to have the same range as the SU85.

You know what would be cool? Global SVT upgrade for conscripts, and let penals upgrade to bazookas. Not my idea but BananainPajamas is too lazy to post so I'm just going to mention I like it.

You know what would be cool? Global SVT upgrade for conscripts, and let penals upgrade to bazookas. Not my idea but BananainPajamas is too lazy to post so I'm just going to mention I like it.

Very cool idea.

And @Woof and Argul yes armor and smoke. .25 armor is huge. Much huger than the benefit of excellent medium range DPS of the Pgrens not to mention their cheaper cost, non doctrine and upgrade ability to Shreks.

Edit: Lets also not forget smoke isnt free last time i checked. Makes sense a more expensive close range ONLY unit should need this to close in on a much more flexible close and medium range unit. They also both have nades lets not forget that as well. Perhaps a nade from the STs should also be taken into account. After all they could close in and lose several models and come out on top by spending even more muni.

Not my idea but BananainPajamas is too lazy to post so I'm just going to mention I like it.

that's because he's always in Pajamas

Very cool idea.

And @Woof and Argul yes armor and smoke. .25 armor is huge. Much huger than the benefit of excellent medium range DPS of the Pgrens not to mention their cheaper cost, non doctrine and upgrade ability to Shreks.

What we're saying is the strongest anti-infantry unit in the game remains the strongest anti-infantry unit in the game. Take this pent up rage and funnel it into balance problems that actually exist instead of making problems up and then defending them with terminal intensity.