Snipers

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 18:06 PMOmega_Warrior

Sorry if I was a bit abrasive in my last post, but my point remians the same. A 66% hit chance isn't all that different then lots of other units and is no way different. Also having a measly 45% chance in the scout car would really incurage people not to use it as much.

I'm all against game deciding RNG like ram as well, but if there is a perfectly good solution that adds just a little bit it, I think it's better then copy-pasting units which in my opinion dumbs down the game. Not all cases of RNG are bad.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 18:43 PMdasheepeh

My snipers miss from time to time. And i dont mean on retreating units, i mean on normal ones. This happens more often with the soviet snipers than the german snipers.

So snipers can miss from my experience.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 19:14 PMSarantini

Maybe he means when you have 2 sniper squads shooting at the same time they sometimes target the the same member.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 17:55 PM5trategos

I really wish we could put to rest the suggestion of one man snipers as it doesn't solve the core issue (scout car + snipers) and would devolve infantry combat into sniping and counter-sniping a la vCoh.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 21:46 PMMr. Someguy

Personally I think the core issue is double snipers and up. Double snipers is not hard to achieve yet the payoff is instant field control wherever you have them (unless he begins blobbing, in which case you get field control wherever he isn't..).

CoH1 didn't have this problem because of early access vehicles, counter-sniping (if you so chose), and Volksgrenadier 5 man squads that could also be upgraded with MP 40's and charged at them.

There was also a side-effect of how abilities worked, you needed to complete the animation for it to happen. So there was no instant-panzerfaust on the Jeep that came within range for half a second, like there is now.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 05:56 AMWhat Doth Life?!

More and more I'm thinking Jaeger Infantry is the commander to have in your roster to counter snipers. Ambush Camouflage has its issues but with grens you can faust M3's and pounce on snipers from cover.

Jump back to quoted post17 Mar 2014, 17:55 PM5trategos

I really wish we could put to rest the suggestion of one man snipers as it doesn't solve the core issue (scout car + snipers) and would devolve infantry combat into sniping and counter-sniping a la vCoh.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 14:48 PMdasheepeh

I'd much rather prefer Snipers that are countersnipeable with one sniper shot than Snipers one one side which are untouchable due to the lack of counters..

The core issue isnt the Sniper + Clown car combo. Did you ever play someone with double snipers? Did you find that to be balanced and fair? Was it so much better than scout car + sniper??

The clown car isnt doing the damage, its the sniper. The soviet sniper is capable of winning entire games as soon as the critical amount of them ( 2 snipers ) is reached.

You atleast had the possibility to countersnipe in vCOH. You dont have a counter in this game.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 16:25 PM5trategos

I both played with it and against it and the problem is sniper + clown car. If they're on foot, you can attack somewhere else and expect them to take a while to intercept you. The scout car is much faster to react and much harder to trap.

I also don't want to introduce a game mechanic where snipers are the best counters to other snipers, which is what mirrored one man snipers would do.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 17:01 PMSarantini

Or prevent snipers from entering scout cars.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 18:38 PMbraciszek

My main problem with snipers is them being able to snipe through smaller obstacles and cover as long as they have LoS... i keep on moving troops behind buildings to keep myself from being sniped, but it just doesnt work. The ability that units can shoot through solid objects is kind of annoying... (of course you can shoot through a wall but i dont understand why accuracy is not decreased by it)

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 18:54 PMKatitof

Then you are playing some other game, because in CoH2 the only unit that shoots through LOS blocking objects is PaK43.

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 20:10 PMShazz

Slightly off top but that's actually not quite true. There are lots of places you can attack ground with things through LoS blockers, including ones you probably shouldn't be able to like hedgerows (not from realism standpoint, just game mechanics).

Jump back to quoted post18 Mar 2014, 17:17 PMSpanky

It doesnt matter if the sniper is on foot or not, a good player will always know how to maximise the usage of sniper/s.

With the target tables gone, you now have units that hard counter each other, so having a 1 man sniper on either side, is a win win. And i loved sniper battles in vcoh, if you pulled off a counter snipe, ohhh the satisfaction.