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The heading says it all. IS2 are you kidding me?
The tank is so expensive! The time between the shot’s is so long. It often misses complete. Btw I never had a squad wipe with this tank since the last patch. But more often it simply misses everything. Worst thing a single panther can handle it. The cheaper Tiger also.
IS2 are you kidding me?
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The heading says it all. IS2 are you kidding me?
The tank is so expensive! The time between the shot’s is so long. It often misses complete. Btw I never had a squad wipe with this tank since the last patch. But more often it simply misses everything. Worst thing a single panther can handle it. The cheaper Tiger also.
IS2 are you kidding me?
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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So the IS-2 came in the 22nd minute,killed two squads(which were not retreated btw) and got destroyed in 6 minutes...OP indeed
Was more impressed by the Brummbar though,50 kills?
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The latest cast of ImperialDane just showing how powerful and easy is that bitch doctrine and strategy.
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The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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I DONT think this QUITE illustrates your point. What I learned or was reinforced watching this video is how PISS POOR the IS2 is as a front line tank. How easily a Panther brings it down to near death (think about the time it takes an SU85 to take a Panther down in health)
How the IS2 HAS to have AT guns to back it up.
How HARD it is to kill a Tiger even with 3 Vetted Zis.
How much BETTER a Stupa (SturmPanzer4 Brummbar) is at killing infantry than the IS2 (due to its higher ROF not its ability to one hit squads)
And how the KV8 is the best thing in the Soviet arsenal.
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is used to WTFpwn Inf and medium tank, not a head on unit against heavy tanks.
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That sums up why I've stopped using it. I can use 2 SU85's that have the ability to scale and flank rather than a solo, more expensive, worse, king tiger. The IS2 is a swiss army knife, it does nothing overly well. It needs a price reduction in its current role or the role needs to be moved more to A/T and the price kept the same.
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Brummbar killing Inf better than IS2? no shit dude
That thing reached 50 kill count only because of the time it survived.
See how many times Brummbar take a shot to a cons, only 1-2 men dead?
But IS2 averagely, if you right it right, stop before it fire, should kill 3 dudes or even squad wipe.
He did use the IS2 in a wrong way, it is not used to deal with Panther or Tiger, but totally rape anything lower than T4
IS2 is like Pershing, but even pwn harder than Pershing, is used to WTFpwn Inf and medium tank, not a head on unit against heavy tanks.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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It doesnt WTFPWN inf. It can get some lucky squad whipes. KV8 WTF pwns infantry. If allowed to sit there the Brummbar can achieve the same results much cheaper with its higher ROF. That was a beast in the hands of the German player and used properly.
The IS2 killing P4s with great AI can be achieved with Two T34/85s for less resources. Not the front loaded one hit kill but the kills over all.
The IS2 IS a heavy tank. It walks like a heavy tanks, talks like a heavy tanks but gets pwned like a medium tank.
Like Napalm noted a Jack of All trades and master of none. Hardly worth more than a Tiger IMHO.
Edit: And getting rid of one hit kills I am all for. Just give it 1280 HPs and reduce its AOE. Problem solved. It can now afford to sit there and fire more than one shot with its stupidly slow reload.
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Sorry, didn't take the time to read everything that's been said but I do agree that the IS-2 squad wipe needs to be toned down.
Like I said in previous posts, I hate anything that can fully wipe a squad because one of the most important mechanic in the game is unit preservation. So when you have something that can wipe a full healthy squad, it totally defeats the purpose of the game.
IS-2, ISU and KV-8 imo needs to be slightly adjusted so they do not completely wipe out squads so quickly.
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I say it again, if your IS2 don't squad wipe and get pwned like medium tank, it is your fault.
There is almost no scatter with IS2 (while it is stopped), and the AOE totally able to one shot a full health squad or a Pak40. But Brummbar, the scatter is damn too high (even it stopped), and the AOE is small like hell.
For me, Brummbar is overpriced and under performed. It is just better to get a werfer and mortar doing a better job.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Kaitof.. Do you play Germans? The Brummbar is awful. I have never, EVER, EVER seen it squad wipe a Soviet squad. Actually most of the time it kills 1-2 models. Its turretless so can be circle strafed by t384s or t34/85s. And it takes FOREVER to vet the damn thing. It is not viable in a 1v1 game where the opponents are evenly matched. Your better off getting a wurfer then a Panther. Wurfer squad wipes like crazy and gets vetted pretty quickly.
As for the Is2, I think its fine the way it is. Its not so much its squad wipe ability then it is the stupid German AI infantry bunching up when approaching it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Yes I do, and if you base brummbars performance on squad wipe potential, then you're up for a disappointment, it will not wipe anything unless squad is bunched up(however it will from time to time), but it will almost always get at least 2 kills with every shot due to perfect accuracy.
Being turretless have nothing to do with anything, because if you went for T4, you should already have heavy T2 AT backup on the field.
And about not being 1v1 viable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYhCnJHRvIo&list=UUyUcNdOxXcVt3o9eZKdza9w
If that is not being viable against skilled opponent, then nothing will please you.
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IS2 keep saving their noob ass.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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