PPSH x3 Aftermath Update

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 20:32 PMKatitof

You either are consistent or not.

No double standards.
Either you agree to both dropping, or none.

And the only balance issue ppsh caused is to shake out german players from the delusion that no matter what, conscripts aren't a threat.

PPSh is still ONLY close range upgrade and still have less dps then LMG.

We had for almost half year single player ppsh that never was an issue and was MUCH STRONGER then current tripple one, that alone gives ppsh QQ absolutely 0 rational base.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 21:45 PMCardboard Tank

This game isn´t consistent.

- 50 range StuG - 60 range SU85... reason: "The one is an Assault gun used as a tank destroyer". I call that bullshit since the StuG was much better and basically a tank hunter late in the war.

- 2 men snipers vs 1 man sniper

etc. etc.

I just meant that the Ppsh should definitely be dropped, because its a huge balance issue. That one dude made it sound like only G43s should drop.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 21:45 PMCardboard Tank

This game isn´t consistent.

- 50 range StuG - 60 range SU85... reason: "The one is an Assault gun used as a tank destroyer". I call that bullshit since the StuG was much better and basically a tank hunter late in the war.

- 2 men snipers vs 1 man sniper

etc. etc.

I just meant that the Ppsh should definitely be dropped, because its a huge balance issue. That one dude made it sound like only G43s should drop.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 20:32 PMKatitof

You either are consistent or not.

No double standards.
Either you agree to both dropping, or none.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2014, 00:14 AMMr. Someguy

This is not how you balance a game. This is just logical fallacy because you don't want your precious Soviets to get nerfed without seeing the Germans get hit twice as hard.

And by the way, one is a 30mun rifle, one is a 10m SMG. One G43 costs as much as an entire Assault Package.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 20:33 PMNapalm

G43 should not drop because special snowflake.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 22:01 PMShazz

I disagree. Either all doctrinal upgrades should drop or none should. Otherwise you're just cherry picking particular ones you like more.

PPSh are also not a huge problem. Are they useful? Yep. Overpowered? No.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 20:32 PMKatitof

You either are consistent or not.

No double standards.
Either you agree to both dropping, or none.

And the only balance issue ppsh caused is to shake out german players from the delusion that no matter what, conscripts aren't a threat.

PPSh is still ONLY close range upgrade and still have less dps then LMG.

We had for almost half year single player ppsh that never was an issue and was MUCH STRONGER then current tripple one, that alone gives ppsh QQ absolutely 0 rational base.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2014, 04:02 AMMad_Hatter

You do realize that the only reason the hoards of German whiners is out on force is because they got exactly what they wanted with shocks/guards. Now something else is op? Weird. It feels like no matter what Soviets use as a starting build order is "op" these days. Its rediculous! Shocks? Op. Guards? Op. Clown cars? Op. Snipers. Clearly op? Cons? Op! Wtf?? I bet if they go ahead and nerf cons/snipers/clown cars suddenly penals will be op.

If someone starts a serious thread about bringing shocks/guards back to 1 cp to stop the con spam I may die of laughter

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2014, 22:00 PMKatitof

You're confusing consistent mechanics with asymmetrical balance my friend.

100% of infantry weapons that need entity to stand still drop.
100% of infantry weapons that allow entity to fire on the move don't drop.
That is consistency.
You've described asymmetrical balance.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2014, 04:02 AMMad_Hatter

You do realize that the only reason the hoards of German whiners is out on force is because they got exactly what they wanted with shocks/guards. Now something else is op? Weird. It feels like no matter what Soviets use as a starting build order is "op" these days. Its rediculous! Shocks? Op. Guards? Op. Clown cars? Op. Snipers. Clearly op? Cons? Op! Wtf?? I bet if they go ahead and nerf cons/snipers/clown cars suddenly penals will be op.

If someone starts a serious thread about bringing shocks/guards back to 1 cp to stop the con spam I may die of laughter

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 21:04 PMUnshavenbackman

How are these after the march update?