Soviet Industry needs to be nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2013, 21:24 PMNullist

Stephenn is an anomaly in the ranking, as his W/L% is actually substantially lower than others on the ladder.

This is due, to his credit, to his ability to beat higher W/L players consistently EVEN THOUGH he often tries unorthodox builds which sometimes invariably end in defeat.

Nonetheless, and especially because of that, his place on the ladder is particularly deserved.

Salute to Stephenn. And your post-game strat analysis are good as gold.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2013, 22:48 PMDietBrownie

Sega and Relic are literally repeating Capcom's mistakes. Capcom did the same exact thing with street fighter 4 and Marvel vs Capcom 3 and now look at Capcom. An industry giant in the past now only has 152 million dollars in the bank. This occurred due to they lost their dedicated player base after milking their consumers. Capcom lost a lot of players, I mean a lot of players, not thousands, but hundreds of thousands. Capcom did earn a small amount of money through this but they sure as hell lost a shit ton in log term.


If you really think they care about the playerbase and making sure the news commanders aren't pay to win. You're Wrong. Only half of those commanders were somewhat balanced. Industry needed a hotfix nerf but they realized that it would hurt sales, so they didn't include it in the hotfix.

Oh well, at-least they updated company of heroes 1

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2013, 15:03 PMNullist

There is a systemic problem with DLC Commanders.

It means everytime more Commanders are launched, the baseline balance, even including previous DLC Commanders which have hopefully beem balanced by then, is thrown into imbalance yet again.

Imagine this game with 20-50-100 DLC Commanders available.
How is that possible to balance? Who the hell can balance 50 different Commander options, many of which with unique abilities, against each other?

Its a balance disaster waiting to happen, and gets worse with every DLC Commander added to the pool. Every new DLC Commader means more balancing effort in order to not only align its release with previous ones and the baseline, but also to align baseline and previous Commanders to that.

I appreciate and understand trying to make money, but there is a inevitable problem with this kind of DLC program.

Sooner or later, it will become impossivble to balance the ever growing pool of DLC Commanders, against each other.

If this continues as it is now, this game will with 100% certainty become "Company of Commanders".

Its an unsustainable model, in terms of balance. Sure, you can continue to release Commanders which beat the current flavor of the month, but even that is unsustainable, because invariably you will end up with Commanders so distanced and overpowered when xompared to vanilla ones, that there will be no choice than to buy a recent DLC to be able to match it.

In the first wave, the real Balance team managed to respond with an immediate hotfix. In the second, three weeks later, still no hotfixes. Im sure the DLC are making good money in the short term, but we have been repeatedly assured that Relics plans are long term. If this continues as it has now, there will be no long term. The commu ity will be decimated to only the relstively small pool of players who buy the most recent DLC. Its like shitting in your own backyard, eventually it stacks so high that nobody wants to be there.

Having a small pool of players who buy the DLC may make sense, superficially, fiscally, but when EVERYONE ELSE leaves the game, how long are even those DLC guys going to continue buying product when there is nobody exceot other DlC buyers to play against?

This kind of business model, in a game, has clearly only one impetus. Milk the hell out of the small pool of DLC purchasers before it dries up. Balance, as I explained esrlier, is a even more distant and a lost cause, with every single DLC Commander.

If the current trend continues, at this point next year, we will have more than double the current amount of DLC Commanders we have now. Imagine that.

That is literally, to be called "Company of Commanders" at that point.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2013, 10:06 AMcataclaw

Can someone mail this to the CEO at Relic HQ? Please.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2013, 15:03 PMNullist

There is a systemic problem with DLC Commanders.

It means everytime more Commanders are launched, the baseline balance, even including previous DLC Commanders which have hopefully beem balanced by then, is thrown into imbalance yet again.

Imagine this game with 20-50-100 DLC Commanders available.
How is that possible to balance? Who the hell can balance 50 different Commander options, many of which with unique abilities, against each other?

Its a balance disaster waiting to happen, and gets worse with every DLC Commander added to the pool. Every new DLC Commader means more balancing effort in order to not only align its release with previous ones and the baseline, but also to align baseline and previous Commanders to that.

I appreciate and understand trying to make money, but there is a inevitable problem with this kind of DLC program.

Sooner or later, it will become impossivble to balance the ever growing pool of DLC Commanders, against each other.

If this continues as it is now, this game will with 100% certainty become "Company of Commanders".

Its an unsustainable model, in terms of balance. Sure, you can continue to release Commanders which beat the current flavor of the month, but even that is unsustainable, because invariably you will end up with Commanders so distanced and overpowered when xompared to vanilla ones, that there will be no choice than to buy a recent DLC to be able to match it.

In the first wave, the real Balance team managed to respond with an immediate hotfix. In the second, three weeks later, still no hotfixes. Im sure the DLC are making good money in the short term, but we have been repeatedly assured that Relics plans are long term. If this continues as it has now, there will be no long term. The commu ity will be decimated to only the relstively small pool of players who buy the most recent DLC. Its like shitting in your own backyard, eventually it stacks so high that nobody wants to be there.

Having a small pool of players who buy the DLC may make sense, superficially, fiscally, but when EVERYONE ELSE leaves the game, how long are even those DLC guys going to continue buying product when there is nobody exceot other DlC buyers to play against?

This kind of business model, in a game, has clearly only one impetus. Milk the hell out of the small pool of DLC purchasers before it dries up. Balance, as I explained esrlier, is a even more distant and a lost cause, with every single DLC Commander.

If the current trend continues, at this point next year, we will have more than double the current amount of DLC Commanders we have now. Imagine that.

That is literally, to be called "Company of Commanders" at that point.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2013, 15:37 PMchaindler

"This is generally why I hate leader boards, as well as the "My opinion is better then yours because my rank is higher" bullshit."

Amen to this one. Arogance of some particular EXPERTS players is very shamelful.. ahh, almost forgot Music Video Game for them!!

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2013, 19:41 PMsluzbenik

It's a very similar system to some free-to-play games, where they release new abilities and upgrades every few months, and to stay competitive you need to buy them.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2013, 00:47 AMrbz

@VonIvan It's not a 7 minute t70, it can be put out at 5:30 and you aren't going to be prepared for it.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2013, 00:47 AMrbz

@VonIvan It's not a 7 minute t70, it can be put out at 5:30 and you aren't going to be prepared for it.