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Wehr Grens are utter trash

12 Mar 2023, 09:13 AM
#1
avatar of Cardboard Tank

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British Infantry section: 260 mp

US-Riflemen: 260 mp

Wehr Grens: 270 mp

DAK Panzergrens: 300 mp




Wehr Grens lose every engagement.

Why would I build them?

Definitely not to convert them into a 430 mp (270 mp + 160 mp) Jäger.

Currently you shoot yourself into the foot building a Gren.
12 Mar 2023, 09:25 AM
#2
avatar of Katitof

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To cap the map early, build a tech, convert some into elite infantry and use remaining ones to merge into that elite infantry of your choice.

They are cons, but with functional army behind them.
12 Mar 2023, 09:31 AM
#3
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grens with mp40s are actually decent
12 Mar 2023, 09:56 AM
#4
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completely agree with you. They are crazy at Relic, they give you more expensive and less powerful infantry. The panzergrens are annihilated by the British infantry with anti-tank equipment.

All German light vehicles are countered by the unit which also destroys the infantry, geniuses at relic

Relic hates Nazis, so why make a WWII game?

If you want a balanced game, give each army equivalent infantry (same strength and cost) and equivalent tanks (same strength and cost). Balanced game. :wave:
12 Mar 2023, 10:02 AM
#5
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by being DAK, you are supposed to counter the innumerable light vehicles of the allies with a unit call-in less good than the British infantry with its anti-tank. And you are only allowed one unit, while the British have 5 units against everything.

The only solution is to spam the MGs and do a Stug e, and after a marder (which has light armor) ...it's infinitely more complicated than just spamming the infantry, the stuart and then the sherman.

I forgot to say that the Panzer 3 is countered by the British sections with their anti-tank equipment and that the Tiger costs 230 fuel :rofl:

and the fucking british grenade, 50 meter range and insane damage
12 Mar 2023, 10:02 AM
#6
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Brit Tommies are simply too strong with whatever upgrade you give them. Then if you add the guards, gurkhas , commandos it becomes simply an OP faction.


12 Mar 2023, 13:24 PM
#7
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British sections probably needs to cost 300mp.
I don't even feel the bleed with them and if you went indian arty and got infantry 1st perk, you have osttruppen level of reinforcement with obersoldaten level of lethality.
12 Mar 2023, 14:29 PM
#8
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Mar 2023, 13:24 PMKatitof
British sections probably needs to cost 300mp.
I don't even feel the bleed with them and if you went indian arty and got infantry 1st perk, you have osttruppen level of reinforcement with obersoldaten level of lethality.


Likely, but prepare Uranus for Royal Engie flamer spam if this happens.
12 Mar 2023, 14:46 PM
#9
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Give them MP40 upgrade and problem solved. Also there is this Merge ability and only 22mp reinforce cost
12 Mar 2023, 15:57 PM
#10
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Give them MP40 upgrade and problem solved. Also there is this Merge ability and only 22mp reinforce cost

They do have MP40 upgrade from BG and it makes them into beasts.
12 Mar 2023, 16:14 PM
#11
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Mar 2023, 15:57 PMKatitof

They do have MP40 upgrade from BG and it makes them into beasts.


Ye it's what I meant. I didn't mean "Relic pls give grens MP40 stock"
12 Mar 2023, 16:28 PM
#12
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Ye it's what I meant. I didn't mean "Relic pls give grens MP40 stock"

Hard to tell without specifically mentioning it.
We're experienced enough to never assume people know what they talk about or ask for.
12 Mar 2023, 20:38 PM
#13
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Honestly out-side of 1v1 and 2v2, MP40 grens besides super early power-spike still fall off pretty badly. In smaller gamemodes they are a bit more viable, since its possible to pick favourable engagements.

I kinda get the concept of grens being just purely a meat-shield before you transfer them into PGs\Jaegers but this concept is honestly dumb, it was bad for soviets already.

Would rather see them as a cons, via vet, where they start off being weaker, but with vet becoming actually useful units. I still feel like, grens should be viable and at least some sort of threat and not complete push-over.
13 Mar 2023, 11:21 AM
#14
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I feel like Grens are fine. They are not really good, but have a bit of utility and are good backup for a powerful MG. Don't want CoH2 levels back where MG would pin everything and Grens destroy every other mainline infantry. At least you can transform them into better units later.

DAK Pgrens on the other hand, holy crap, they are in a really bad spot..
13 Mar 2023, 12:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Mar 2023, 11:21 AMGarrett
I feel like Grens are fine. They are not really good, but have a bit of utility and are good backup for a powerful MG. Don't want CoH2 levels back where MG would pin everything and Grens destroy every other mainline infantry. At least you can transform them into better units later.

DAK Pgrens on the other hand, holy crap, they are in a really bad spot..


once dak pgrens are near most vehicles and get their mg + the 200mp vet and health upgrade, they get really good

but it costs a lot to get to that stage
13 Mar 2023, 12:47 PM
#16
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British Infantry section: 260 mp

US-Riflemen: 260 mp

Wehr Grens: 270 mp

DAK Panzergrens: 300 mp




Wehr Grens lose every engagement.

Why would I build them?

Definitely not to convert them into a 430 mp (270 mp + 160 mp) Jäger.

Currently you shoot yourself into the foot building a Gren.


Who build Rifles? There is a 200MP squad perform much better than Rifles.
16 Mar 2023, 00:29 AM
#17
avatar of LoopDloop

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once dak pgrens are near most vehicles and get their mg + the 200mp vet and health upgrade, they get really good

but it costs a lot to get to that stage

I've been having a lot more success with DAK pgrens in 1v1 when I build a 250 as like my 3rd or 4th unit to get the combined arms bonus. The bonus is ridiculous and the 250 isn't bad support in the early game too, and has a heal ability for when you don't have heals yet.
18 Mar 2023, 17:04 PM
#18
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Posts: 125

230-240 is more their price range
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