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That still isn't good considering their price point, the fact that you have to build your entire playstyle around them, their long build-time hampering your map control early game, and their reinforce cost.To the Last Man's boost is also rather shit, it really doesn't make enough of a difference to justify it's own existence.
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So we are comparing penals to JLI these days in order to once more arrive at the conclusion "hur dur axis better allies worse"
late game coh2.org is wild
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Remind me when axis was not in a better spot than allies? Everyone who is honest and has experience says that it has always been a fighting a upward battle with allies vs axis.
Also yes, we CAN compare Penals to Axis elite infantry since oftentimes Penal MP bleed for 2-3+ squads is so horrendous that you can't even afford a squad of Guards to contest their own elites.You have to get a M3/Sniper even with the afromentioned higher maintenance cost of Penals to compete against Axis elites(grens included).
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Remind me when axis was not in a better spot than allies? Everyone who is honest and has experience says that it has always been a fighting a upward battle with allies vs axis.
Also yes, we CAN compare Penals to Axis elite infantry since oftentimes Penal MP bleed for 2-3+ squads is so horrendous that you can't even afford a squad of Guards to contest their own elites.You have to get a M3/Sniper even with the afromentioned higher maintenance cost of Penals to compete against Axis elites(grens included).
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Isn't it more that Soviets and Ost are just way more complete, superior factions with more tools compared to all of the other choices? Instead of some Axis/Allies balance conspiracy? That's why you basically never see anything else at the top level.
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It is crazy how we always say they are complete but they are literally played one way in tournaments. For soviets it is con spam with either guards or SVT drop. OST is gren spam with Jaeger command squad. Both get double AT into medium-P4 or T34 variant. Any deviation from that like a single PG squad(or any non Reg Guard elite) is seen as off meta and an interesting choice. If most of the units are unused are they really that complete or just certain units are overperforming and the ELITE players stick to them as they are playing for money and pride.
Watching 1v1 games has gotten extremely stale, I am glad when I see anything else as you can actually learn something/try something new.
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Remind me when axis was not in a better spot than allies?
AEC needs a new cannon.
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I'm 100% confident to say USF & Sov has upper hand vs OKW in 1v1.
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I'm 100% confident to say USF & Sov has upper hand vs OKW in 1v1.
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Soviets do, but USF doesn't really. USF needs quite a bit of luck in early OKW 1v1:
a) location of Spios
b) first fight
c) long/close range firefight
Soviets have less of a problem due to penals and clown car action and Combat engineers that can bleed up to 2 models of approaching Spios if behind cover. REs either take down one (10%) or none with 3% hp damage (90%)
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Soviets do, but USF doesn't really. USF needs quite a bit of luck in early OKW 1v1:
a) location of Spios
b) first fight
c) long/close range firefight
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Just try not to engage into fight until 3rd rifleman is on the field. And toy with OKW with m20+stuart.
I was one of many who claimed we should nerf stealth-moving rackt, but after many nerfs OKW got and doomed mech truck start; they are just too vulnerable in early-mid game against vehicles.
Of course things get better after first p4, but it's really tough to keep up the pace w/o proper vehicle.
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t0 rak is still op as fuck and allows you to play infantry with 100% safety since you pop 290mp and at any point can tackle a LV like T70, AAHT, etc... it's just too good to be true even with the cloak nerf
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UC(UKF) are a pain in the ass in the early game for OKW.
t0 rak is still op as fuck and allows you to play infantry with 100% safety since you pop 290mp and at any point can tackle a LV like T70, AAHT, etc... it's just too good to be true even with the cloak nerf
t0 rak is still op as fuck and allows you to play infantry with 100% safety since you pop 290mp and at any point can tackle a LV like T70, AAHT, etc... it's just too good to be true even with the cloak nerf
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Universal Carrier is easy for OKW to deal with. They don't even nrrf Raketen for that and can get by with just the Panzershrek upgrade on Sturmpioneers.
M3 though is worthy enough for a Raketen. Due to how fast it is and how it dodges Panzershrek shots like Neo dodges bullets in the Matrix.
(M3 vet 1 gives movement speed and also increased -received accuracy which makes it harder for the shrek to hit)
I would have liked to have seen Raketen start off on par with M-42 45mm Anti-Tank Gun which would be appropriate for its timing with the option to upgrade it later on to be on par with Pak 40 in range/damage.
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