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Royal Engineers Start on cooldown, so even if they make UC as the first unit and then wait for Royal Engineers, that is a good 30 seconds + time it takes to arrive at whatever point they wish to capture.
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proof or gtfo
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correction: the strategy has an UC being built immediately, and then you call in the squad at around the same time when its made
the squad and the UC arrive at the same time and then you drive the squad with the UC. This minute 0 volks and mg-42 shock strat is effective at surprising enemies
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I laid out the typical scenarios on what would happen in a real game. Even in a Vipper vacuum world where it is 1 Grenadier vs 1 Royal Engineer, as the Royal Engineer Squad is running up close to the Grenadier(or even volks)
It will drop a model or 2 before getting in optimal range and would most likely end up in a tie forcing both units to retreat which is rather terrible when you consider that Royal Engineers are more expensive than Grenadiers and you chose a doctrine for that.
Are you sending VG/Grenadiers into melee range?
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All this while there is so much speaking against it being OP. There is no point to make here, you make claims and don't back them up with tests, and the reasoning provided is fairly weak.
I even just tested it: On Whiteball, rushing fuel, OKW's SP arrives there at 1:05, the first Volk about 20 seconds later, the Kubel arrives at 1:35.
Trying the same thing with the allegedly problematic UKF strat, first IS arrives 1:05 (no surprise), while the Sapper+UC combo arrives at 1:32.
Now, Whiteball is not the largest map available, but it shows the scale of the "problem": You're arriving maybe 10 seconds later than the UKF player. You've not shown in any way how this is problematic. If it were, games would be decided by the first engagement only.
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Nice to see that you actually did some test. Do know appreciate the effect of distance?
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Nice to see that you actually did some test. Do know appreciate the effect of distance?
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I thought after 5 pages of theocrafting, at least a basic test was necessary.
Since you keep dodging the actual points I made, I'm out of this discussion. Good luck with this one and see you in the next one.
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Instead of trolling Hannibal you could actually learn how to play the game instead of crying that something is OP
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Lets see what stat have to say then:
EFH Pioneers = 4*80/1 = 320
EFH Assault grenadier = 5*80/0.95 = 421
EFP Assault IS = 5*80/0.97 = 412
EFP Ro.Eng = 4*80/0.9 = 355
EFP assault Engineers = 5*80/0.9 = 444
EFP RoRE = 5*80/0.9 = 444
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Assault Engineers spawn with 1.0 target size, not 0.9.
But I have to agree here with the people that you are exaggerating completely about this strat, Vipper.
The RoRe (Royal engineer Recovery Squad) has seen many buffs since it the beginning of the game with the latest becoming available at CP 0 with 5 entities/stens and able to get Flamers. (and vet 1 sten bonus change)
The units still has superior repair speed over Engineer and smoke grenades and can upgrade with flamer and heavy sappers upgrade.
Now the synergy of this unit with UC has become very good since the UC can be used to drop them aggressively without taking casualties and the can repair a UC very fast.
Imo the combo should be looked.
Yes, you can force retreats against lonely squads, even make them waste a faust with the fast repair speed of RoRe. But lets talk about the Elephant in the room now:
1) against a Kubel + sp, this strat is an absolute joke, and many people combine these 2 units at start
2) In teamgames, good axis players will bunch up their army as soon as possible believe it or not. Especially when they expect a scout car. And then this strat sucks as well... nobody is stupid enough to walk on the corner of the map with a lonely gren/volk in exposed positions when they know what you're trying to do here
3) Forcing a retreat on 1 squad doesnt matter, and afterwards smart axis players will not let that happen again
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They have to sacrifice map control to do that though.
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So forcing a sturmpioneer or HMG42 to retreat from the initial fight in map like steppes or red ball express does not matter?
The only exception for this is rushing a strong house, where UC + engineer can't do anything against you anyway. Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
Neither a sturmpio nor a MG42 should do unsupported solo actions at the frontline at the beginning of the match when you look into fog of war and notice you are against brits. Especially not on a map like Steppes
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You mean like sending the SP to secure the fuel?
And who said anything about unsupported?
You think that a SP will not forced to retreat if he is focused fired by IS+UC+RoRe
The combination of UC and CP 0 call in infatry (ASIS/RoRe/RaidSec) allows UKF player to concentrate units faster to the initial point of interest.
Glad to see that we are past the " exaggerating completely" line of arguing.
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