USF Pathfinder spam is too efficient (2v2)

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2022, 14:31 PMEsxile

I said Path and Pfuss aren't superior to mainline when they hit the field.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 00:13 AMJilet

Extremely broken infantry that loses to Penals at every range and every stage...

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 06:12 AMminhuh064

How can that happens exactly?

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 06:12 AMminhuh064

How can that happens exactly?

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 00:13 AMJilet

Extremely broken infantry that loses to Penals at every range and every stage...

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 10:06 AMBasedSecretary

In what world?

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 22:24 PMTomy0

What cringes me out is more the fact that people pretend that riflemen suck, to try dodging their guilt and shame when spamming pathfinders.

Also, while the argument can be made in 4v4, riflemen in 2v2, which is the topic here, are very good, the only actual issue you can face being a sniper, but snipers are obviously a more global issue, this is not just an issue regarding USF

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 22:24 PMTomy0

What cringes me out is more the fact that people pretend that riflemen suck, to try dodging their guilt and shame when spamming pathfinders.

Also, while the argument can be made in 4v4, riflemen in 2v2, which is the topic here, are very good, the only actual issue you can face being a sniper, but snipers are obviously a more global issue, this is not just an issue regarding USF

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 06:36 AMMr Carmine

It not at least mostly not that rifles suck, its that most maps by far are way to open. Back when rifles had smoke this was not an issue. (Not saying they need it back) They always need to close in and the enemy dictates the fight in by far most cases.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 06:36 AMMr Carmine

Imo rifles currently bleed you way to much esp in 3s and 4s. To much to be viable long term. They have no stock early options for long range inf to counteract the bleeding. They only have mortar smoke or rear echelons smoke with nade tech. They should have gotten stock sandbags just like okw and ukf did to reduce bleeding. Imho these should notvhave gotten them on mainlines but on other units.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 22:33 PMGiaA

The problem is Riflemen aren't an attack move unit and require things like timing and precision when using them which is something very few people are capable of. Tbh even pathfinder spam isn't strong assuming that both sides play perfectly because it just lacks stopping power. It's just that beating it is infinitely more difficult than using it succesfully because you're the one who has to take initiative while having far inferior informaton.

Me and Quiritz lost three times recently to chinese pathfinder abuse but every single one of those games we should have won and we just fucked up mid late (partly due to tilt) which is easy to do when the opponent sees every single one of your moves. But again, it was entirely avoidable. There is no way pathfinder spam with zookas can hold vs mass füsil + smoke or mass G43 spam if they are executed well enough on most maps imo. Pathfinder spam with bars on the has no chance vs a well executed tank push cuz the entire at is double M1.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 09:14 AMProtos Angelus

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Most 2v2+ maps are fought cover to cover at ranges 15-30, where rifles lose AND those maps are quite open, meaning you can't easily sneak around or wait.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 09:14 AMProtos Angelus

... (which is risky AF as the USF mortar is by far the weakest and usually just behaves as a pop eater, better to wait for pak howi; as much as it was nerfed, it's still better)...

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 07:20 AMVipper

Why?
rilfes are not the best at long range,
their best preformance is close to mid range. They dont have sandbags stock. They either need to close in or avoid the engagement. They have a harder time defending a position because of these. And before you start i am not saying rifle are up. The maps are to open for them to shine.

Does mortar have HE explosive shell to bleed the enemy?
Does the USF have access to early ambulance to greatly reduce bleed?

releying on a mortar to bleed is quite a bit unreliable. As usf you get rifles (midrange)rear echelons and a mortar and ambu at t0. Other factions get mg's scout cars/transport, at gun, long range and cqc inf or sprint. So using doctrines as usf and pathfinders in paticular to fill gaps so early on makes sense imo. Neither paths or scott imo are op.

Ambu comes early but not so early, its also the most vunerable imo esp if used as forward healing.
Also if what your implying is true about mortar and ambu why is usf usualy more mp starved then most faction when not using paths? They cant seem to float mp such as okw for example.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 12:41 PMMr Carmine

rilfes are not the best at long range,
their best preformance is close to mid range. They dont have sandbags stock. They either need to close in or avoid the engagement. They have a harder time defending a position because of these. And before you start i am not saying rifle are up. The maps are to open for them to shine.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 12:41 PMMr Carmine

releying on a mortar to bleed is quite a bit unreliable. As usf you get rifles (midrange)rear echelons and a mortar and ambu at t0. Other factions get mg's scout cars/transport, at gun, long range and cqc inf or sprint. So using doctrines as usf and pathfinders in paticular to fill gaps so early on makes sense imo. Neither paths or scott imo are op.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 12:41 PMMr Carmine

Ambu comes early but not so early, its also the most vunerable imo esp if used as forward healing.
Also if what your implying is true about mortar and ambu why is usf usualy more mp starved then most faction when not using paths? They cant seem to float mp such as okw for example.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 10:10 AMVipper

Once more any stats or test to back the claim that the USF mortar significantly weaker than other mortars?

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2022, 14:07 PMSupport Sapper

While relload and scatter of these two are similar. OST mortar do have better aoe distance of 1/2/3 compare to 0.75/1.5/3 of usf mortar on both auto attack and barrage. OSt mortar also have 5 more range on both AT and barrage. All for only 10mp more.

Now before you drag me in a whole series of post to debate meaning of the word "significantly". I didn't make any claim and simply provide the stats.

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2022, 22:33 PMGiaA

It's just that beating it is infinitely more difficult than using it succesfully because you're the one who has to take initiative while having far inferior informaton.