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I prefer the OKW when they were release than the braindead A move German Protoss faction here now.
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the only person who ever complained about okw players abusing this bug was you
No need to get multiple sturms, you get king tiger or jp4 spam
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There was even more braindead amoving when they launched, what are you talking about?
OKWs launch design was horrific. Interesting on paper but it showed ZERO reflection of being in the same game as the eastern front factions. Sovs and Ost needed huge changes just to compete
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There was even more braindead amoving when they launched, what are you talking about?
OKWs launch design was horrific. Interesting on paper but it showed ZERO reflection of being in the same game as the eastern front factions. Sovs and Ost needed huge changes just to compete
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And part of the problem was that it should be the other way round.
The west front armies that should adjust to eastern front armies since the where relevantly balanced.
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I mean they certainly tried. They changed OKW completely. Barely resembles it's launch design. USF had some seismic changes too
Brits in alpha looked like they were from CoH 6 in 2035, changed at launch, and changed again very much since then
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CoH2 really suffered from the concept of either "premium" or "because of". Most of the problems in the game can be categorised as one or another.
Soviet and Wehr at least had the same tools, but assymetrical. Both of the factions actually are quite good, the execution of balance at launch was terrible, but the foundation of the factions were very solid. I'd say game was actually very enjoyable right before WFA launch, it was more or less balanced in some perverted CoH way, but yet balanced.
Hard agree. You are completely speaking my mind here.
Then WFA hit the fan, with the concept of "we strip tool X from the faction and buff Y in return" and when people ask, we will point them to the fact that USF\OKW dont have sniper, for example. And CoH2 went even deeper into shithole and never recovered fully.
OKW was released overpowered because of this in teamgames.
USF was released overpowered in smaller games because of this.
As for UKF, I still belive till this day that they were a cashgrab + cheap way to bring new players into the game.
Because, no-one even with 1 brainsell would have created this overpowered abomination which they were on release. Its just immpossible. It seemed like UKF was ripped strate from cheatmode comp-stomper wet dream. And fun fact it, it was just as bad in Alpha and people said it was this bad, but Relic didnt care.
Agree with you too here, I think I read something back in the day that UKF was not even Relic's project rather they outsourced it to another dev to make. I have major gripes with UKF, I find it the worst faction ever (COH2 UK, that is). Its teching is shitty, its units are just not there and is straight up unplayable without 1-2 meta commanders. Does not have nondoc rocket arty. Basically it's everything wrong with COH2.
And while I agree that balance team did questinable dissitions (mostly when it came to introducing or "re-thinking" stuff), considering what they had to deal with overall generalization was really the only option to keep the game somewhat alive.
Yes, I agree. I just hope we won't see more of that.
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Yes but the change in OKW/USF/UK come after they mess up EFA armies. If they did not touch the EFA much and only removed cheese/bugs and fixed commanders the game would had been easier to balance.
For instance USF rolfstomped WER so WER had to be buffed again and again so it started to rolfstop Soviet and the then Soviet had to buffed and so on.
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My good man that is what I have been saying all along.
OKW is the perfect example. A very very stylish and interesting faction on paper with a "desperate" aesthetic (literally, the perfect thing for the time period) who got absolutely devastated by the continuous nerfs of "balance team" without any real direction to them. They didn't even bother to adjust the tools or the playstyle. They just straight up downplayed some stats and overplayed some others. They did that to the other factions too. That is not balancing, that is a band aid solution at best. Half the updates from the release of WFA until roughly 2017 were nerfing and upping and nerfing and upping okw units.
They did not get all of them, and still some idiotic pieces of the original design remain. Schwere panzer (flak hq) which basically was used to lock down Fuel since the OKW originally got diminished incomes, no ability to build caches (the only faction, wow) and a few more things.
Just look at the build order of all games nowadays, it's ridiculous.
3-4 Line Inf -> Mortar/MG -> T1 -> AT -> T2 -> Elite Inf -> T3 -> Rocket Arty -> Tanks.
Not to mention that UKF and USF still need specific commanders to even be competent.
And in the end, it's ok by me. I have been playing this game for all the time it's out. I accept those things.
I just really don't want them in COH3, and I think if Relic doesn't change their dev tactics, there is a high chance of it happening again. We need more artists and designers in games, not nerds and stats-junkies who think that fair == same stats.
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Can't you have these types of debates about a subject where rhetoric void of any substance at least earns you societal status? Like sociology or something?
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This quote wins the internet! This is the content I come here for. Points GiaA.
To be fair, it is more fun to talk about coh2 than to play coh2. So it gives people a place to go and be with their own kind.
My guess is guys like Vipper and Katitof are on the payroll here to keep them views coming
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I am really lost on this topic.
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There's this thing where people complain about something because it makes them feel like they are part of a kind of grassroots movement, which is an appealing role to take. People also just like complaining, partly because it is one way of dealing with ingame losses. Because of that people start repeating what others have said without actually having even the slightest clue what they're talking about. Most of the balance team shittalk and conspiracies are a great example of this.
cope harder alliedcucks
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Also imagine having this signature and making this thread
I guess OP is not that Based after all
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The funny thing about these kinds of posts is that they sound reasonable to people with only casual knoweledge of CoH2. But to someone like me they read like fiction. The things you say are just not based in reality. Take for example the build order you described as being used every game. That build order makes 0 sense for any faction at any stage in CoH2 ever.
You're basically writing BS that makes you sound like you have a good point with total disregard for the truth.
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Lmao I started playing this game the minute it went out. I even went and upgraded my shitty pc in order to run COH2 at max. I know what I'm saying don't worry.
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Yes and everyone is allowed to have his own opinion, but many of your takes are either inaccurate or just false. Spending time on counter arguments feels like a wasted effort in this thread I'm sorry.
Your account being only 3 days old on top of your "just a joke" avatar & signature doesnt help here either. Then there is also stuff like this:
Source: Trust me bro
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