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just make the 120 mm killable at 1 men remaining, make it 4 men crew, not 5 or six. and not retreat able
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Where do we start? This game features several factions that have mortars. The Soviet faction has a doctrinal mortar - HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad. While every unit in the game has certain disadvantages and conditions, this mortar has no disadvantages and conditions.
1) HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad can retreat to base;
2) Squad strength of this mortar is 5, while the Minimal crew is 1;
3) Mortar barrage - Range of Fire - 95, and GrW 34 - 75 (for comparison)
4) HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad has Delayed Fused Rounds
Fires the heavy high-explosive rounds that detonate shortly after impacting the ground. (no commander, for comparison, the 7.5cm le.IG has an Incendiary Barrage in only one doctrine)
5) Reinforce Cost - 15
RESULTS:
HM-38 120mm Mortar Squad has a high firing range, excellent survivability (squad strength, retreat capability, minimal crew - 1), excellent AOE, ability without a commander. Similar units are vulnerable to flank attacks by assault infantry (not always assault), all units with the exception of the HM-38.
SUGGESTIONS:
1.increase Reinforce Cost to 22
a) minimal crew - 2
or
b) cannot retreat
or
c) reduce range to 75
or
d) reduce AOE damage
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if i see the 120mm commanders on the Soviet opponent, i will seldom put my shwerer outside my base, and i wont be making machine guns of Leigs. Leigs cannot fight against 120mm at all
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... the delayed fuse bomb that has many times killed my Shewere, does it do more damage than regular barrage?
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yep someone on the balance team must love to turtle soviet, not only are 120mm mortar OP and the best mortar by far in the game, they also buffed the living shit out of B-4. What a joke.
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Does 160 damage instead of 80
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The soviets dont have the same potentail to turtle as ost or brits. They lack the power of the mg42 and long range inf. They need to be agressive and on the move.
The one thing the 120mm does well is counter defensive/turtle/static play. It does so with the slowest rof out of all mortars, and costs quite a bit more as well.not 100% sure but the scatter seems to be bigger as well. Its defenitly not the best mortar by far. It has its weaknesses.
The 120mm is shit and a wasted investment if your opponent goes for a mobile stratagy. Yes even ost can go mobile. You not changing/adapting your play does not make a unit specificly used countering your playstyle OP by default.
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the problem with 120mm is, u cant cap or be near the soviets base. even in cover your health will melt
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the problem with 120mm is, u cant cap or be near the soviets base. even in cover your health will melt
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identical to any other fucking mortar/indirect light artillery in the game, amazing
and it falls slower than the 81mm mortars that do the exact same thing at a shorter range
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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the problem with 120mm is, u cant cap or be near the soviets base. even in cover your health will melt
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Exactly. I think some people get a real placebo effect from the larger explosion visuals. It doesn't do *more* damage than the mortar, it just has better AOE.
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That sentence does not make much sense:
1) infatry HP is 80 so if a mortar did 160 damage it would still do 80 damage to a entity.
2) Better AOE profiles means that it will have wider kill radius and will do more damage at greater distance and that actually mean that a unit with better AOE profile it does do more total damage to infatry squad.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Right. Let's cool it with the semantics for a moment here and realize that we're saying the same thing. I said "it isn't doing *more* damage", as in it's not doing more damage on a direct hit or something, it's still 60 damage. And I said "it just has better AOE". Now, if you think about that statement for a moment, you will realize that having a better AOE implies doing more damage over the area of effect.
EDIT: I'm not mentioning the delayed fuse rounds because it's not applicable to infantry, because they can just move out of the way.
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PLS explain what in your opinion is semantics in this case.
If an infatry squad gets hit by mortar with better AOE profile the total damage its entity will receive will more than a mortar inferior AOE profile.
That has nothing to do with the "larger explosion visuals" and "real placebo effect", better AOE profile mean more damage.
(mortars generally do 80 damage not 60)
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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Come on, it is very clear what he said. Max damage stays the same.
And it could very well be that the larger visual effect tricks players into thinking this mortar is better than it actually is.
Exactly. I think some people get a real placebo effect from the larger explosion visuals. It doesn't do *more* damage than the mortar, it just has better AOE.
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